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Batch scripts between-subject and repeated measures design

devin698260 — Tue, 26 Apr 2022 17:29:48 GMT

Hello,

We are running an experiment on inquisit mobile with two subject groups as well as repeated design measures. This is an example of how we were going about putting that in our task script. On the computer version of inquisit, it runs smoothly. When we tried to do it on the mobile version, the task did not pop up- just a "thank you for completing this inquisit task" web page. Does something need to be changed in the script for this? Thank you!

**PSYCHOED GROUP**

<batch>
/ groups = (1 of 3)
/ sessions = (1 of 8)
/ file="psychoed_session-1_dd_edits.iqx"
</batch>

<batch>
/ groups = (1 of 3)
/ sessions = (2 of 8)
/ file="psychoed session 2_dd_edits.iqx"
</batch>

**CBM-I GROUP**

<batch>
/ groups = (2 of 3)
/ sessions = (1 of 8)
/ file= "cbm training session 1 for phones feb1722.iqx"
</batch>

<batch>
/ groups = (2 of 3)
/ sessions = (1 of 8)
/ file= "cbm training session 2 for phones feb1722.iqx"
</batch>

RE: Batch scripts between-subject and repeated measures design

inquisituser22 — Tue, 26 Apr 2022 17:29:48 GMT

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Actually scratch my last response, it was erroneous. (Skipping blocks used to be not supported on touch screens, but that is no longer the case.)

On a touch device, you can skip through blocks by drawing a mirrored Z-shape with two fingers across the screen. That is:
Lower left corner of the screen -> lower right corner -> diagonally up to upper left corner -> upper right corner.

These gestures may take a few attempts to get right, they're built so as to not be triggered accidentally.
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Ok that is a big relief, thank you. At what point do we do that? any time during the session?
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Yeah, these gestures should work at any point during a given script.
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Ok thank you, we are working on figuring that out. In the meantime, we are having the participant we have in the study currently skipping ahead session IDs on their phone. We had them encounter a very odd error just now. We had them do what is session ID 8 (see script below) and it had the participant doing an .iqx file that is part of Session 1 instead. Please see log attached. You can see it says session 8 but then is not the file listed below in session 8's script. Any idea what we have done incorrectly or is this a glitch? Thank you.

session8_batch.iqx

****PSYCHOED GROUP****
<batch>
/ groups = (1 of 2)
/ file="psychoed session 6 March11.iqx"
</batch>

****CBM-I GROUP****
<batch>
/ groups = (2 of 2)
/ file="cbm training session 6 april19.iqx"
</batch>
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There is no log attached.
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Sorry - I didn't realize there was a limit for space for attachments of 5 MB - it won't let me post it as it says I have used 4 MB. I've copied instead, I apologize as I know it is harder to read.

It's also weird because this iqx that was erroneously run says it itself had an error, but when I went to validate the script, no error was even found. But, the bigger problem remains why was session 1 run instead of session 8.

8    2    0.0.0.0    iOS 15.4.1    Mobile Safari UI/WKWebView    6.5.2
Launch    04/22/2022 - 20:29:46
License    04/22/2022 - 20:29:46
Data
Finish
9
Event Times
Date/Time    Event    IP Address    OS    Client    User Agent    Data File
04/22/2022 - 20:19:58    LaunchButtonClick    0.0.0.0    iOS 15.4.1    Mobile Safari UI/WKWebView
Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) InquisitPlayer/6.5.2
04/22/2022 - 20:19:58    LicenseQuery    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:20:09    Error    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:20:59    LaunchButtonClick    0.0.0.0    iOS 15.4.1    Mobile Safari UI/WKWebView
Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) InquisitPlayer/6.5.2
04/22/2022 - 20:20:59    LicenseQuery    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:21:09    Error    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:29:46    LicenseQuery    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:29:46    LaunchButtonClick    0.0.0.0    iOS 15.4.1    Mobile Safari UI/WKWebView
Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) InquisitPlayer/6.5.2
04/22/2022 - 20:29:57    Error    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
Errors
Date/Time    Type    Script Element    Message    Error Code
04/22/2022 - 20:20:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.openended    Name of element is missing.    35
04/22/2022 - 20:20:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    Could not locate element 'Threatpositive6'.    15
04/22/2022 - 20:20:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    trial 1 is unassigned.    29
04/22/2022 - 20:21:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.openended    Name of element is missing.    35
04/22/2022 - 20:21:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    Could not locate element 'Threatpositive6'.    15
04/22/2022 - 20:21:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    trial 1 is unassigned.    29
04/22/2022 - 20:29:57    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    Could not locate element 'Threatpositive6'.    15
04/22/2022 - 20:29:57    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    trial 1 is unassigned.    29
04/22/2022 - 20:29:57    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.openended    Name of element is missing.    35
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Thanks for the log excerpt. This descriptor

04/22/2022 - 20:20:09 Error baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.openended Name of element is missing. 35

is the name of the script file that was the study's start script when the experiment was initially registered. That descriptor is kept as an internal identifer, even if the start script is later changed to a different script and even if the original start script has been deleted. When you upload multiple script files at once when registering an experiment, the alphabetically first script will be automatically selected as the start script (that would have been baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx in your case), so you may not even have realized that this script was, in fact, the original start script and thus serves as the study's identifer in the logs.

That baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx wasn't actually run in session 8 is easy enough to see from the errors themselves. For example, no such thing as <block Session1> exists in baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx. That block exists in cbm training session 6 april19.iqx, however, which is exactly the script expected to be run in session 8 / group 2:

As for the cause of the errors, almost certainly the script file got cut off and corrupted either during download or when it was stored on the device, leading to the various parsing errors.
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Hi Dave, thank you for explaining all of this. Some follow-up questions:

1) "When you upload multiple script files at once when registering an experiment, the alphabetically first script will be automatically selected as the start script (that would have been baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx in your case), so you may not even have realized that this script was, in fact, the original start script and thus serves as the study's identifer in the logs."

Is there a way to clear all of the prior file names? This is the second time we have run into errors because of a prior file name, and I don't know how I would be able to catch these on my own without posting in the forums each time.

2) "That baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx wasn't actually run in session 8 is easy enough to see from the errors themselves. For example, no such thing as <block Session1> exists in baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx. That block exists in cbm training session 6 april19.iqx, however, which is exactly the script expected to be run in session 8 / group 2:"
This makes more sense now - I went to validate all of the scripts quickly (the participant was waiting) and no errors appeared. It seems that running the batch scripts lead to a bunch of errors that are hard for us to predict/anticipate from our test runs we do internally as a team. I am not sure if this means we need to purchase a second license to reduce the amount of batch scripts, pay for a programmer at Inquisit with our limited funds, or if there are other ways you would recommend managing these unanticipated issues before we can recruit additional participants.

3) "As for the cause of the errors, almost certainly the script file got cut off and corrupted either during download or when it was stored on the device, leading to the various parsing errors." Ok, thank you. Do you mean on the participant's end when they were downloading/storing on device, or when I was uploading these files?
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Re. 1):

> Is there a way to clear all of the prior file names?

Not after the fact. When you register a new study, make sure you either upload the script that is to serve as the start script first or, if you're uploading multiple scripts, make sure the start script's name is alphabetically first.

> This is the second time we have run into errors because of a prior file name.

The error here is not because of a prior file name.

Re. 2):

I don't think you're running into any exceptional errors because of the use of batch scripts. Things will go wrong in online research, the systems are not under your control and will be in varying states of maintenance, a participant's connection may be flaky or suffering from other issues temporarily.

Re. 3):

On the participant's end. The files uploaded to the server are intact.

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Ok, we have hopefully addressed some of those issues now, thank you.

Two next questions:

1) As for the cause of the errors, almost certainly the script file got cut off and corrupted either during download or when it was stored on the device, leading to the various parsing errors.
When this happens with a participant, what would you recommend we do to address the issue with the participant to start fresh? When this happened to us a few days ago, we had the participant fully quit out of Inquisit and restart, and also just entering the session ID in Inquisit player several times and it wouldn't load until we gave up and skipped that session and went on to the next one.

2) In my own testing, I keep running into "internet timeout error" for several different session IDs in Inquisit player. How would you recommend we address this with participants?

04/26/2022 - 00:36:17    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.script    Internet timeout error. Files pending: 2.    126

Thanks again
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One other question for now, is I can't figure out a pattern to when the logs show you the file completed by participants under "Data Files" vs are blank. Thanks again
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Check the settings in the player's Data tab. If you want data files automatically uploaded, leave the Automatic Upload box checked. If you want to prevent automatic upload, uncheck it. Data files residing on the device will be listed on the data tab, you can manually trigger upload by tapping the "Cloud Upload" icon in the upper right corner.
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Thank you, I changed my start script to be alphabetically first "a_mainbatch.iqx" and went to test out "offline mode" and both with that on and off I am encountering the following error and unable to run the session. Also, it is still bringing up the file name that used to come first alphabetically and I am not sure why.

Errors
Date/Time    Type    Script Element    Message    Error Code
04/26/2022 - 17:23:47    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx    QNetwork Error: Error transferring https://scripts.millisecond.com/jkrompi/cbmi_march312022/cbm training session 8 march31.iqx - server replied: Line 102, File /Users/erik/ms/qt5.15/inquisit_5.15/IQRuntime/qt/Path_qt.cpp    46
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Please disregard - I figured out th problem!

RE: Batch scripts between-subject and repeated measures design

inquisituser22 — Tue, 26 Apr 2022 17:27:55 GMT

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[b]Dave - 4/22/2022[/b]
Actually scratch my last response, it was erroneous. (Skipping blocks used to be not supported on touch screens, but that is no longer the case.)

On a touch device, you can skip through blocks by drawing a mirrored Z-shape with two fingers across the screen. That is:
Lower left corner of the screen -> lower right corner -> diagonally up to upper left corner -> upper right corner.

These gestures may take a few attempts to get right, they're built so as to not be triggered accidentally.
[/quote]

Ok that is a big relief, thank you. At what point do we do that? any time during the session?
[/quote]

Yeah, these gestures should work at any point during a given script.
[/quote]

Ok thank you, we are working on figuring that out. In the meantime, we are having the participant we have in the study currently skipping ahead session IDs on their phone. We had them encounter a very odd error just now. We had them do what is session ID 8 (see script below) and it had the participant doing an .iqx file that is part of Session 1 instead. Please see log attached. You can see it says session 8 but then is not the file listed below in session 8's script. Any idea what we have done incorrectly or is this a glitch? Thank you.

session8_batch.iqx

****PSYCHOED GROUP****
<batch>
/ groups = (1 of 2)
/ file="psychoed session 6 March11.iqx"
</batch>

****CBM-I GROUP****
<batch>
/ groups = (2 of 2)
/ file="cbm training session 6 april19.iqx"
</batch>
[/quote]

There is no log attached.
[/quote]

Sorry - I didn't realize there was a limit for space for attachments of 5 MB - it won't let me post it as it says I have used 4 MB. I've copied instead, I apologize as I know it is harder to read.

It's also weird because this iqx that was erroneously run says it itself had an error, but when I went to validate the script, no error was even found. But, the bigger problem remains why was session 1 run instead of session 8.

8    2    0.0.0.0    iOS 15.4.1    Mobile Safari UI/WKWebView    6.5.2
Launch    04/22/2022 - 20:29:46
License    04/22/2022 - 20:29:46
Data
Finish
9
Event Times
Date/Time    Event    IP Address    OS    Client    User Agent    Data File
04/22/2022 - 20:19:58    LaunchButtonClick    0.0.0.0    iOS 15.4.1    Mobile Safari UI/WKWebView
Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) InquisitPlayer/6.5.2
04/22/2022 - 20:19:58    LicenseQuery    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:20:09    Error    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:20:59    LaunchButtonClick    0.0.0.0    iOS 15.4.1    Mobile Safari UI/WKWebView
Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) InquisitPlayer/6.5.2
04/22/2022 - 20:20:59    LicenseQuery    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:21:09    Error    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:29:46    LicenseQuery    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:29:46    LaunchButtonClick    0.0.0.0    iOS 15.4.1    Mobile Safari UI/WKWebView
Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) InquisitPlayer/6.5.2
04/22/2022 - 20:29:57    Error    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
Errors
Date/Time    Type    Script Element    Message    Error Code
04/22/2022 - 20:20:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.openended    Name of element is missing.    35
04/22/2022 - 20:20:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    Could not locate element 'Threatpositive6'.    15
04/22/2022 - 20:20:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    trial 1 is unassigned.    29
04/22/2022 - 20:21:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.openended    Name of element is missing.    35
04/22/2022 - 20:21:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    Could not locate element 'Threatpositive6'.    15
04/22/2022 - 20:21:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    trial 1 is unassigned.    29
04/22/2022 - 20:29:57    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    Could not locate element 'Threatpositive6'.    15
04/22/2022 - 20:29:57    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    trial 1 is unassigned.    29
04/22/2022 - 20:29:57    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.openended    Name of element is missing.    35
[/quote]

Thanks for the log excerpt. This descriptor

04/22/2022 - 20:20:09 Error baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.openended Name of element is missing. 35

is the name of the script file that was the study's start script when the experiment was initially registered. That descriptor is kept as an internal identifer, even if the start script is later changed to a different script and even if the original start script has been deleted. When you upload multiple script files at once when registering an experiment, the alphabetically first script will be automatically selected as the start script (that would have been baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx in your case), so you may not even have realized that this script was, in fact, the original start script and thus serves as the study's identifer in the logs.

That baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx wasn't actually run in session 8 is easy enough to see from the errors themselves. For example, no such thing as <block Session1> exists in baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx. That block exists in cbm training session 6 april19.iqx, however, which is exactly the script expected to be run in session 8 / group 2:

As for the cause of the errors, almost certainly the script file got cut off and corrupted either during download or when it was stored on the device, leading to the various parsing errors.
[/quote]

Hi Dave, thank you for explaining all of this. Some follow-up questions:

1) "When you upload multiple script files at once when registering an experiment, the alphabetically first script will be automatically selected as the start script (that would have been baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx in your case), so you may not even have realized that this script was, in fact, the original start script and thus serves as the study's identifer in the logs."

Is there a way to clear all of the prior file names? This is the second time we have run into errors because of a prior file name, and I don't know how I would be able to catch these on my own without posting in the forums each time.

2) "That baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx wasn't actually run in session 8 is easy enough to see from the errors themselves. For example, no such thing as <block Session1> exists in baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx. That block exists in cbm training session 6 april19.iqx, however, which is exactly the script expected to be run in session 8 / group 2:"
This makes more sense now - I went to validate all of the scripts quickly (the participant was waiting) and no errors appeared. It seems that running the batch scripts lead to a bunch of errors that are hard for us to predict/anticipate from our test runs we do internally as a team. I am not sure if this means we need to purchase a second license to reduce the amount of batch scripts, pay for a programmer at Inquisit with our limited funds, or if there are other ways you would recommend managing these unanticipated issues before we can recruit additional participants.

3) "As for the cause of the errors, almost certainly the script file got cut off and corrupted either during download or when it was stored on the device, leading to the various parsing errors." Ok, thank you. Do you mean on the participant's end when they were downloading/storing on device, or when I was uploading these files?
[/quote]

Re. 1):

> Is there a way to clear all of the prior file names?

Not after the fact. When you register a new study, make sure you either upload the script that is to serve as the start script first or, if you're uploading multiple scripts, make sure the start script's name is alphabetically first.

> This is the second time we have run into errors because of a prior file name.

The error here is not because of a prior file name.

Re. 2):

I don't think you're running into any exceptional errors because of the use of batch scripts. Things will go wrong in online research, the systems are not under your control and will be in varying states of maintenance, a participant's connection may be flaky or suffering from other issues temporarily.

Re. 3):

On the participant's end. The files uploaded to the server are intact.

[/quote]

Ok, we have hopefully addressed some of those issues now, thank you.

Two next questions:

1) As for the cause of the errors, almost certainly the script file got cut off and corrupted either during download or when it was stored on the device, leading to the various parsing errors.
When this happens with a participant, what would you recommend we do to address the issue with the participant to start fresh? When this happened to us a few days ago, we had the participant fully quit out of Inquisit and restart, and also just entering the session ID in Inquisit player several times and it wouldn't load until we gave up and skipped that session and went on to the next one.

2) In my own testing, I keep running into "internet timeout error" for several different session IDs in Inquisit player. How would you recommend we address this with participants?

04/26/2022 - 00:36:17    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.script    Internet timeout error. Files pending: 2.    126

Thanks again
[/quote]

One other question for now, is I can't figure out a pattern to when the logs show you the file completed by participants under "Data Files" vs are blank. Thanks again
[/quote]

Check the settings in the player's Data tab. If you want data files automatically uploaded, leave the Automatic Upload box checked. If you want to prevent automatic upload, uncheck it. Data files residing on the device will be listed on the data tab, you can manually trigger upload by tapping the "Cloud Upload" icon in the upper right corner.
[/quote]

Thank you, I changed my start script to be alphabetically first "a_mainbatch.iqx" and went to test out "offline mode" and both with that on and off I am encountering the following error and unable to run the session. Also, it is still bringing up the file name that used to come first alphabetically and I am not sure why.

Errors
Date/Time    Type    Script Element    Message    Error Code
04/26/2022 - 17:23:47    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx    QNetwork Error: Error transferring https://scripts.millisecond.com/jkrompi/cbmi_march312022/cbm training session 8 march31.iqx - server replied: Line 102, File /Users/erik/ms/qt5.15/inquisit_5.15/IQRuntime/qt/Path_qt.cpp    46

RE: Batch scripts between-subject and repeated measures design

Dave — Tue, 26 Apr 2022 01:54:08 GMT

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[b]inquisituser22 - 4/26/2022[/b]
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[b]Dave - 4/25/2022[/b]
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[b]Dave - 4/22/2022[/b]
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[b]Dave - 4/22/2022[/b]
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[b]Dave - 4/22/2022[/b]
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[b]inquisituser22 - 4/22/2022[/b]
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[b]Dave - 4/22/2022[/b]
Actually scratch my last response, it was erroneous. (Skipping blocks used to be not supported on touch screens, but that is no longer the case.)

On a touch device, you can skip through blocks by drawing a mirrored Z-shape with two fingers across the screen. That is:
Lower left corner of the screen -> lower right corner -> diagonally up to upper left corner -> upper right corner.

These gestures may take a few attempts to get right, they're built so as to not be triggered accidentally.
[/quote]

Ok that is a big relief, thank you. At what point do we do that? any time during the session?
[/quote]

Yeah, these gestures should work at any point during a given script.
[/quote]

Ok thank you, we are working on figuring that out. In the meantime, we are having the participant we have in the study currently skipping ahead session IDs on their phone. We had them encounter a very odd error just now. We had them do what is session ID 8 (see script below) and it had the participant doing an .iqx file that is part of Session 1 instead. Please see log attached. You can see it says session 8 but then is not the file listed below in session 8's script. Any idea what we have done incorrectly or is this a glitch? Thank you.

session8_batch.iqx

****PSYCHOED GROUP****
<batch>
/ groups = (1 of 2)
/ file="psychoed session 6 March11.iqx"
</batch>

****CBM-I GROUP****
<batch>
/ groups = (2 of 2)
/ file="cbm training session 6 april19.iqx"
</batch>
[/quote]

There is no log attached.
[/quote]

Sorry - I didn't realize there was a limit for space for attachments of 5 MB - it won't let me post it as it says I have used 4 MB. I've copied instead, I apologize as I know it is harder to read.

It's also weird because this iqx that was erroneously run says it itself had an error, but when I went to validate the script, no error was even found. But, the bigger problem remains why was session 1 run instead of session 8.

8    2    0.0.0.0    iOS 15.4.1    Mobile Safari UI/WKWebView    6.5.2
Launch    04/22/2022 - 20:29:46
License    04/22/2022 - 20:29:46
Data
Finish
9
Event Times
Date/Time    Event    IP Address    OS    Client    User Agent    Data File
04/22/2022 - 20:19:58    LaunchButtonClick    0.0.0.0    iOS 15.4.1    Mobile Safari UI/WKWebView
Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) InquisitPlayer/6.5.2
04/22/2022 - 20:19:58    LicenseQuery    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:20:09    Error    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:20:59    LaunchButtonClick    0.0.0.0    iOS 15.4.1    Mobile Safari UI/WKWebView
Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) InquisitPlayer/6.5.2
04/22/2022 - 20:20:59    LicenseQuery    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:21:09    Error    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:29:46    LicenseQuery    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:29:46    LaunchButtonClick    0.0.0.0    iOS 15.4.1    Mobile Safari UI/WKWebView
Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) InquisitPlayer/6.5.2
04/22/2022 - 20:29:57    Error    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
Errors
Date/Time    Type    Script Element    Message    Error Code
04/22/2022 - 20:20:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.openended    Name of element is missing.    35
04/22/2022 - 20:20:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    Could not locate element 'Threatpositive6'.    15
04/22/2022 - 20:20:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    trial 1 is unassigned.    29
04/22/2022 - 20:21:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.openended    Name of element is missing.    35
04/22/2022 - 20:21:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    Could not locate element 'Threatpositive6'.    15
04/22/2022 - 20:21:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    trial 1 is unassigned.    29
04/22/2022 - 20:29:57    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    Could not locate element 'Threatpositive6'.    15
04/22/2022 - 20:29:57    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    trial 1 is unassigned.    29
04/22/2022 - 20:29:57    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.openended    Name of element is missing.    35
[/quote]

Thanks for the log excerpt. This descriptor

04/22/2022 - 20:20:09 Error baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.openended Name of element is missing. 35

is the name of the script file that was the study's start script when the experiment was initially registered. That descriptor is kept as an internal identifer, even if the start script is later changed to a different script and even if the original start script has been deleted. When you upload multiple script files at once when registering an experiment, the alphabetically first script will be automatically selected as the start script (that would have been baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx in your case), so you may not even have realized that this script was, in fact, the original start script and thus serves as the study's identifer in the logs.

That baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx wasn't actually run in session 8 is easy enough to see from the errors themselves. For example, no such thing as <block Session1> exists in baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx. That block exists in cbm training session 6 april19.iqx, however, which is exactly the script expected to be run in session 8 / group 2:

As for the cause of the errors, almost certainly the script file got cut off and corrupted either during download or when it was stored on the device, leading to the various parsing errors.
[/quote]

Hi Dave, thank you for explaining all of this. Some follow-up questions:

1) "When you upload multiple script files at once when registering an experiment, the alphabetically first script will be automatically selected as the start script (that would have been baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx in your case), so you may not even have realized that this script was, in fact, the original start script and thus serves as the study's identifer in the logs."

Is there a way to clear all of the prior file names? This is the second time we have run into errors because of a prior file name, and I don't know how I would be able to catch these on my own without posting in the forums each time.

2) "That baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx wasn't actually run in session 8 is easy enough to see from the errors themselves. For example, no such thing as <block Session1> exists in baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx. That block exists in cbm training session 6 april19.iqx, however, which is exactly the script expected to be run in session 8 / group 2:"
This makes more sense now - I went to validate all of the scripts quickly (the participant was waiting) and no errors appeared. It seems that running the batch scripts lead to a bunch of errors that are hard for us to predict/anticipate from our test runs we do internally as a team. I am not sure if this means we need to purchase a second license to reduce the amount of batch scripts, pay for a programmer at Inquisit with our limited funds, or if there are other ways you would recommend managing these unanticipated issues before we can recruit additional participants.

3) "As for the cause of the errors, almost certainly the script file got cut off and corrupted either during download or when it was stored on the device, leading to the various parsing errors." Ok, thank you. Do you mean on the participant's end when they were downloading/storing on device, or when I was uploading these files?
[/quote]

Re. 1):

> Is there a way to clear all of the prior file names?

Not after the fact. When you register a new study, make sure you either upload the script that is to serve as the start script first or, if you're uploading multiple scripts, make sure the start script's name is alphabetically first.

> This is the second time we have run into errors because of a prior file name.

The error here is not because of a prior file name.

Re. 2):

I don't think you're running into any exceptional errors because of the use of batch scripts. Things will go wrong in online research, the systems are not under your control and will be in varying states of maintenance, a participant's connection may be flaky or suffering from other issues temporarily.

Re. 3):

On the participant's end. The files uploaded to the server are intact.

[/quote]

Ok, we have hopefully addressed some of those issues now, thank you.

Two next questions:

1) As for the cause of the errors, almost certainly the script file got cut off and corrupted either during download or when it was stored on the device, leading to the various parsing errors.
When this happens with a participant, what would you recommend we do to address the issue with the participant to start fresh? When this happened to us a few days ago, we had the participant fully quit out of Inquisit and restart, and also just entering the session ID in Inquisit player several times and it wouldn't load until we gave up and skipped that session and went on to the next one.

2) In my own testing, I keep running into "internet timeout error" for several different session IDs in Inquisit player. How would you recommend we address this with participants?

04/26/2022 - 00:36:17    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.script    Internet timeout error. Files pending: 2.    126

Thanks again
[/quote]

One other question for now, is I can't figure out a pattern to when the logs show you the file completed by participants under "Data Files" vs are blank. Thanks again
[/quote]

Check the settings in the player's Data tab. If you want data files automatically uploaded, leave the Automatic Upload box checked. If you want to prevent automatic upload, uncheck it. Data files residing on the device will be listed on the data tab, you can manually trigger upload by tapping the "Cloud Upload" icon in the upper right corner.

RE: Batch scripts between-subject and repeated measures design

Dave — Tue, 26 Apr 2022 01:50:46 GMT

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[b]inquisituser22 - 4/26/2022[/b]
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[b]Dave - 4/25/2022[/b]
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[b]inquisituser22 - 4/25/2022[/b]
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[b]Dave - 4/22/2022[/b]
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[b]inquisituser22 - 4/22/2022[/b]
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[b]Dave - 4/22/2022[/b]
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[b]inquisituser22 - 4/22/2022[/b]
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[b]Dave - 4/22/2022[/b]
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[b]inquisituser22 - 4/22/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]Dave - 4/22/2022[/b]
Actually scratch my last response, it was erroneous. (Skipping blocks used to be not supported on touch screens, but that is no longer the case.)

On a touch device, you can skip through blocks by drawing a mirrored Z-shape with two fingers across the screen. That is:
Lower left corner of the screen -> lower right corner -> diagonally up to upper left corner -> upper right corner.

These gestures may take a few attempts to get right, they're built so as to not be triggered accidentally.
[/quote]

Ok that is a big relief, thank you. At what point do we do that? any time during the session?
[/quote]

Yeah, these gestures should work at any point during a given script.
[/quote]

Ok thank you, we are working on figuring that out. In the meantime, we are having the participant we have in the study currently skipping ahead session IDs on their phone. We had them encounter a very odd error just now. We had them do what is session ID 8 (see script below) and it had the participant doing an .iqx file that is part of Session 1 instead. Please see log attached. You can see it says session 8 but then is not the file listed below in session 8's script. Any idea what we have done incorrectly or is this a glitch? Thank you.

session8_batch.iqx

****PSYCHOED GROUP****
<batch>
/ groups = (1 of 2)
/ file="psychoed session 6 March11.iqx"
</batch>

****CBM-I GROUP****
<batch>
/ groups = (2 of 2)
/ file="cbm training session 6 april19.iqx"
</batch>
[/quote]

There is no log attached.
[/quote]

Sorry - I didn't realize there was a limit for space for attachments of 5 MB - it won't let me post it as it says I have used 4 MB. I've copied instead, I apologize as I know it is harder to read.

It's also weird because this iqx that was erroneously run says it itself had an error, but when I went to validate the script, no error was even found. But, the bigger problem remains why was session 1 run instead of session 8.

8    2    0.0.0.0    iOS 15.4.1    Mobile Safari UI/WKWebView    6.5.2
Launch    04/22/2022 - 20:29:46
License    04/22/2022 - 20:29:46
Data
Finish
9
Event Times
Date/Time    Event    IP Address    OS    Client    User Agent    Data File
04/22/2022 - 20:19:58    LaunchButtonClick    0.0.0.0    iOS 15.4.1    Mobile Safari UI/WKWebView
Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) InquisitPlayer/6.5.2
04/22/2022 - 20:19:58    LicenseQuery    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:20:09    Error    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:20:59    LaunchButtonClick    0.0.0.0    iOS 15.4.1    Mobile Safari UI/WKWebView
Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) InquisitPlayer/6.5.2
04/22/2022 - 20:20:59    LicenseQuery    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:21:09    Error    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:29:46    LicenseQuery    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:29:46    LaunchButtonClick    0.0.0.0    iOS 15.4.1    Mobile Safari UI/WKWebView
Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) InquisitPlayer/6.5.2
04/22/2022 - 20:29:57    Error    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
Errors
Date/Time    Type    Script Element    Message    Error Code
04/22/2022 - 20:20:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.openended    Name of element is missing.    35
04/22/2022 - 20:20:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    Could not locate element 'Threatpositive6'.    15
04/22/2022 - 20:20:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    trial 1 is unassigned.    29
04/22/2022 - 20:21:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.openended    Name of element is missing.    35
04/22/2022 - 20:21:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    Could not locate element 'Threatpositive6'.    15
04/22/2022 - 20:21:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    trial 1 is unassigned.    29
04/22/2022 - 20:29:57    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    Could not locate element 'Threatpositive6'.    15
04/22/2022 - 20:29:57    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    trial 1 is unassigned.    29
04/22/2022 - 20:29:57    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.openended    Name of element is missing.    35
[/quote]

Thanks for the log excerpt. This descriptor

04/22/2022 - 20:20:09 Error baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.openended Name of element is missing. 35

is the name of the script file that was the study's start script when the experiment was initially registered. That descriptor is kept as an internal identifer, even if the start script is later changed to a different script and even if the original start script has been deleted. When you upload multiple script files at once when registering an experiment, the alphabetically first script will be automatically selected as the start script (that would have been baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx in your case), so you may not even have realized that this script was, in fact, the original start script and thus serves as the study's identifer in the logs.

That baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx wasn't actually run in session 8 is easy enough to see from the errors themselves. For example, no such thing as <block Session1> exists in baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx. That block exists in cbm training session 6 april19.iqx, however, which is exactly the script expected to be run in session 8 / group 2:

As for the cause of the errors, almost certainly the script file got cut off and corrupted either during download or when it was stored on the device, leading to the various parsing errors.
[/quote]

Hi Dave, thank you for explaining all of this. Some follow-up questions:

1) "When you upload multiple script files at once when registering an experiment, the alphabetically first script will be automatically selected as the start script (that would have been baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx in your case), so you may not even have realized that this script was, in fact, the original start script and thus serves as the study's identifer in the logs."

Is there a way to clear all of the prior file names? This is the second time we have run into errors because of a prior file name, and I don't know how I would be able to catch these on my own without posting in the forums each time.

2) "That baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx wasn't actually run in session 8 is easy enough to see from the errors themselves. For example, no such thing as <block Session1> exists in baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx. That block exists in cbm training session 6 april19.iqx, however, which is exactly the script expected to be run in session 8 / group 2:"
This makes more sense now - I went to validate all of the scripts quickly (the participant was waiting) and no errors appeared. It seems that running the batch scripts lead to a bunch of errors that are hard for us to predict/anticipate from our test runs we do internally as a team. I am not sure if this means we need to purchase a second license to reduce the amount of batch scripts, pay for a programmer at Inquisit with our limited funds, or if there are other ways you would recommend managing these unanticipated issues before we can recruit additional participants.

3) "As for the cause of the errors, almost certainly the script file got cut off and corrupted either during download or when it was stored on the device, leading to the various parsing errors." Ok, thank you. Do you mean on the participant's end when they were downloading/storing on device, or when I was uploading these files?
[/quote]

Re. 1):

> Is there a way to clear all of the prior file names?

Not after the fact. When you register a new study, make sure you either upload the script that is to serve as the start script first or, if you're uploading multiple scripts, make sure the start script's name is alphabetically first.

> This is the second time we have run into errors because of a prior file name.

The error here is not because of a prior file name.

Re. 2):

I don't think you're running into any exceptional errors because of the use of batch scripts. Things will go wrong in online research, the systems are not under your control and will be in varying states of maintenance, a participant's connection may be flaky or suffering from other issues temporarily.

Re. 3):

On the participant's end. The files uploaded to the server are intact.

[/quote]

Ok, we have hopefully addressed some of those issues now, thank you.

Two next questions:

1) As for the cause of the errors, almost certainly the script file got cut off and corrupted either during download or when it was stored on the device, leading to the various parsing errors.
When this happens with a participant, what would you recommend we do to address the issue with the participant to start fresh? When this happened to us a few days ago, we had the participant fully quit out of Inquisit and restart, and also just entering the session ID in Inquisit player several times and it wouldn't load until we gave up and skipped that session and went on to the next one.

2) In my own testing, I keep running into "internet timeout error" for several different session IDs in Inquisit player. How would you recommend we address this with participants?

04/26/2022 - 00:36:17    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.script    Internet timeout error. Files pending: 2.    126

Thanks again
[/quote]

> When this happens with a participant, what would you recommend we do to address the issue with the participant to start fresh?

(1) Make sure the internet connection is stable and not otherwise congested (e.g. large OS or app updates downloading at the same time).
(2) If a simple app restart doesn't do the trick, clear the player's cache as described here previously: https://forums.millisecond.com/Topic34032.aspx

> In my own testing, I keep running into "internet timeout error" for several different session IDs in Inquisit player

Timeout errors typically originate client-side, i.e. the connection is slow, unstable, or congested. See (1) above.

If your set of scripts is stable, i.e. don't have to be changed around online anymore, you can also put the experiment into "offline" mode on any given device, in which case all materials (scripts, assets, etc. for all sessions) will donwloaded and persistently stored on the device, i.e. they don't have to be downloaded anew every time. The caveat here is: If you change something online, a device that has the study in offline mode will not pick up any of those changes. Offline mode will first have to be disabled again.

See https://www.millisecond.com/products/inquisitplayer under "Offline Support." Note: Even if set to offline, data files will be automatically uploaded if internet connectivity is available, unless automatic data file upload has been explicitly disabled per the player's Data tab.

RE: Batch scripts between-subject and repeated measures design

inquisituser22 — Tue, 26 Apr 2022 01:48:17 GMT

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[b]inquisituser22 - 4/26/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]Dave - 4/25/2022[/b]
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[b]inquisituser22 - 4/25/2022[/b]
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[b]Dave - 4/22/2022[/b]
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[b]inquisituser22 - 4/22/2022[/b]
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[b]Dave - 4/22/2022[/b]
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[b]inquisituser22 - 4/22/2022[/b]
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[b]Dave - 4/22/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]inquisituser22 - 4/22/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]Dave - 4/22/2022[/b]
Actually scratch my last response, it was erroneous. (Skipping blocks used to be not supported on touch screens, but that is no longer the case.)

On a touch device, you can skip through blocks by drawing a mirrored Z-shape with two fingers across the screen. That is:
Lower left corner of the screen -> lower right corner -> diagonally up to upper left corner -> upper right corner.

These gestures may take a few attempts to get right, they're built so as to not be triggered accidentally.
[/quote]

Ok that is a big relief, thank you. At what point do we do that? any time during the session?
[/quote]

Yeah, these gestures should work at any point during a given script.
[/quote]

Ok thank you, we are working on figuring that out. In the meantime, we are having the participant we have in the study currently skipping ahead session IDs on their phone. We had them encounter a very odd error just now. We had them do what is session ID 8 (see script below) and it had the participant doing an .iqx file that is part of Session 1 instead. Please see log attached. You can see it says session 8 but then is not the file listed below in session 8's script. Any idea what we have done incorrectly or is this a glitch? Thank you.

session8_batch.iqx

****PSYCHOED GROUP****
<batch>
/ groups = (1 of 2)
/ file="psychoed session 6 March11.iqx"
</batch>

****CBM-I GROUP****
<batch>
/ groups = (2 of 2)
/ file="cbm training session 6 april19.iqx"
</batch>
[/quote]

There is no log attached.
[/quote]

Sorry - I didn't realize there was a limit for space for attachments of 5 MB - it won't let me post it as it says I have used 4 MB. I've copied instead, I apologize as I know it is harder to read.

It's also weird because this iqx that was erroneously run says it itself had an error, but when I went to validate the script, no error was even found. But, the bigger problem remains why was session 1 run instead of session 8.

8    2    0.0.0.0    iOS 15.4.1    Mobile Safari UI/WKWebView    6.5.2
Launch    04/22/2022 - 20:29:46
License    04/22/2022 - 20:29:46
Data
Finish
9
Event Times
Date/Time    Event    IP Address    OS    Client    User Agent    Data File
04/22/2022 - 20:19:58    LaunchButtonClick    0.0.0.0    iOS 15.4.1    Mobile Safari UI/WKWebView
Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) InquisitPlayer/6.5.2
04/22/2022 - 20:19:58    LicenseQuery    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:20:09    Error    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:20:59    LaunchButtonClick    0.0.0.0    iOS 15.4.1    Mobile Safari UI/WKWebView
Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) InquisitPlayer/6.5.2
04/22/2022 - 20:20:59    LicenseQuery    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:21:09    Error    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:29:46    LicenseQuery    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:29:46    LaunchButtonClick    0.0.0.0    iOS 15.4.1    Mobile Safari UI/WKWebView
Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) InquisitPlayer/6.5.2
04/22/2022 - 20:29:57    Error    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
Errors
Date/Time    Type    Script Element    Message    Error Code
04/22/2022 - 20:20:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.openended    Name of element is missing.    35
04/22/2022 - 20:20:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    Could not locate element 'Threatpositive6'.    15
04/22/2022 - 20:20:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    trial 1 is unassigned.    29
04/22/2022 - 20:21:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.openended    Name of element is missing.    35
04/22/2022 - 20:21:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    Could not locate element 'Threatpositive6'.    15
04/22/2022 - 20:21:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    trial 1 is unassigned.    29
04/22/2022 - 20:29:57    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    Could not locate element 'Threatpositive6'.    15
04/22/2022 - 20:29:57    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    trial 1 is unassigned.    29
04/22/2022 - 20:29:57    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.openended    Name of element is missing.    35
[/quote]

Thanks for the log excerpt. This descriptor

04/22/2022 - 20:20:09 Error baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.openended Name of element is missing. 35

is the name of the script file that was the study's start script when the experiment was initially registered. That descriptor is kept as an internal identifer, even if the start script is later changed to a different script and even if the original start script has been deleted. When you upload multiple script files at once when registering an experiment, the alphabetically first script will be automatically selected as the start script (that would have been baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx in your case), so you may not even have realized that this script was, in fact, the original start script and thus serves as the study's identifer in the logs.

That baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx wasn't actually run in session 8 is easy enough to see from the errors themselves. For example, no such thing as <block Session1> exists in baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx. That block exists in cbm training session 6 april19.iqx, however, which is exactly the script expected to be run in session 8 / group 2:

As for the cause of the errors, almost certainly the script file got cut off and corrupted either during download or when it was stored on the device, leading to the various parsing errors.
[/quote]

Hi Dave, thank you for explaining all of this. Some follow-up questions:

1) "When you upload multiple script files at once when registering an experiment, the alphabetically first script will be automatically selected as the start script (that would have been baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx in your case), so you may not even have realized that this script was, in fact, the original start script and thus serves as the study's identifer in the logs."

Is there a way to clear all of the prior file names? This is the second time we have run into errors because of a prior file name, and I don't know how I would be able to catch these on my own without posting in the forums each time.

2) "That baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx wasn't actually run in session 8 is easy enough to see from the errors themselves. For example, no such thing as <block Session1> exists in baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx. That block exists in cbm training session 6 april19.iqx, however, which is exactly the script expected to be run in session 8 / group 2:"
This makes more sense now - I went to validate all of the scripts quickly (the participant was waiting) and no errors appeared. It seems that running the batch scripts lead to a bunch of errors that are hard for us to predict/anticipate from our test runs we do internally as a team. I am not sure if this means we need to purchase a second license to reduce the amount of batch scripts, pay for a programmer at Inquisit with our limited funds, or if there are other ways you would recommend managing these unanticipated issues before we can recruit additional participants.

3) "As for the cause of the errors, almost certainly the script file got cut off and corrupted either during download or when it was stored on the device, leading to the various parsing errors." Ok, thank you. Do you mean on the participant's end when they were downloading/storing on device, or when I was uploading these files?
[/quote]

Re. 1):

> Is there a way to clear all of the prior file names?

Not after the fact. When you register a new study, make sure you either upload the script that is to serve as the start script first or, if you're uploading multiple scripts, make sure the start script's name is alphabetically first.

> This is the second time we have run into errors because of a prior file name.

The error here is not because of a prior file name.

Re. 2):

I don't think you're running into any exceptional errors because of the use of batch scripts. Things will go wrong in online research, the systems are not under your control and will be in varying states of maintenance, a participant's connection may be flaky or suffering from other issues temporarily.

Re. 3):

On the participant's end. The files uploaded to the server are intact.

[/quote]

Ok, we have hopefully addressed some of those issues now, thank you.

Two next questions:

1) As for the cause of the errors, almost certainly the script file got cut off and corrupted either during download or when it was stored on the device, leading to the various parsing errors.
When this happens with a participant, what would you recommend we do to address the issue with the participant to start fresh? When this happened to us a few days ago, we had the participant fully quit out of Inquisit and restart, and also just entering the session ID in Inquisit player several times and it wouldn't load until we gave up and skipped that session and went on to the next one.

2) In my own testing, I keep running into "internet timeout error" for several different session IDs in Inquisit player. How would you recommend we address this with participants?

04/26/2022 - 00:36:17    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.script    Internet timeout error. Files pending: 2.    126

Thanks again
[/quote]

One other question for now, is I can't figure out a pattern to when the logs show you the file completed by participants under "Data Files" vs are blank. Thanks again

RE: Batch scripts between-subject and repeated measures design

inquisituser22 — Tue, 26 Apr 2022 01:13:55 GMT

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[b]Dave - 4/25/2022[/b]
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[b]inquisituser22 - 4/25/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]Dave - 4/22/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]inquisituser22 - 4/22/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]Dave - 4/22/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]inquisituser22 - 4/22/2022[/b]
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[b]Dave - 4/22/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]inquisituser22 - 4/22/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]Dave - 4/22/2022[/b]
Actually scratch my last response, it was erroneous. (Skipping blocks used to be not supported on touch screens, but that is no longer the case.)

On a touch device, you can skip through blocks by drawing a mirrored Z-shape with two fingers across the screen. That is:
Lower left corner of the screen -> lower right corner -> diagonally up to upper left corner -> upper right corner.

These gestures may take a few attempts to get right, they're built so as to not be triggered accidentally.
[/quote]

Ok that is a big relief, thank you. At what point do we do that? any time during the session?
[/quote]

Yeah, these gestures should work at any point during a given script.
[/quote]

Ok thank you, we are working on figuring that out. In the meantime, we are having the participant we have in the study currently skipping ahead session IDs on their phone. We had them encounter a very odd error just now. We had them do what is session ID 8 (see script below) and it had the participant doing an .iqx file that is part of Session 1 instead. Please see log attached. You can see it says session 8 but then is not the file listed below in session 8's script. Any idea what we have done incorrectly or is this a glitch? Thank you.

session8_batch.iqx

****PSYCHOED GROUP****
<batch>
/ groups = (1 of 2)
/ file="psychoed session 6 March11.iqx"
</batch>

****CBM-I GROUP****
<batch>
/ groups = (2 of 2)
/ file="cbm training session 6 april19.iqx"
</batch>
[/quote]

There is no log attached.
[/quote]

Sorry - I didn't realize there was a limit for space for attachments of 5 MB - it won't let me post it as it says I have used 4 MB. I've copied instead, I apologize as I know it is harder to read.

It's also weird because this iqx that was erroneously run says it itself had an error, but when I went to validate the script, no error was even found. But, the bigger problem remains why was session 1 run instead of session 8.

8    2    0.0.0.0    iOS 15.4.1    Mobile Safari UI/WKWebView    6.5.2
Launch    04/22/2022 - 20:29:46
License    04/22/2022 - 20:29:46
Data
Finish
9
Event Times
Date/Time    Event    IP Address    OS    Client    User Agent    Data File
04/22/2022 - 20:19:58    LaunchButtonClick    0.0.0.0    iOS 15.4.1    Mobile Safari UI/WKWebView
Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) InquisitPlayer/6.5.2
04/22/2022 - 20:19:58    LicenseQuery    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:20:09    Error    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:20:59    LaunchButtonClick    0.0.0.0    iOS 15.4.1    Mobile Safari UI/WKWebView
Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) InquisitPlayer/6.5.2
04/22/2022 - 20:20:59    LicenseQuery    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:21:09    Error    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:29:46    LicenseQuery    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:29:46    LaunchButtonClick    0.0.0.0    iOS 15.4.1    Mobile Safari UI/WKWebView
Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) InquisitPlayer/6.5.2
04/22/2022 - 20:29:57    Error    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
Errors
Date/Time    Type    Script Element    Message    Error Code
04/22/2022 - 20:20:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.openended    Name of element is missing.    35
04/22/2022 - 20:20:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    Could not locate element 'Threatpositive6'.    15
04/22/2022 - 20:20:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    trial 1 is unassigned.    29
04/22/2022 - 20:21:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.openended    Name of element is missing.    35
04/22/2022 - 20:21:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    Could not locate element 'Threatpositive6'.    15
04/22/2022 - 20:21:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    trial 1 is unassigned.    29
04/22/2022 - 20:29:57    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    Could not locate element 'Threatpositive6'.    15
04/22/2022 - 20:29:57    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    trial 1 is unassigned.    29
04/22/2022 - 20:29:57    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.openended    Name of element is missing.    35
[/quote]

Thanks for the log excerpt. This descriptor

04/22/2022 - 20:20:09 Error baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.openended Name of element is missing. 35

is the name of the script file that was the study's start script when the experiment was initially registered. That descriptor is kept as an internal identifer, even if the start script is later changed to a different script and even if the original start script has been deleted. When you upload multiple script files at once when registering an experiment, the alphabetically first script will be automatically selected as the start script (that would have been baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx in your case), so you may not even have realized that this script was, in fact, the original start script and thus serves as the study's identifer in the logs.

That baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx wasn't actually run in session 8 is easy enough to see from the errors themselves. For example, no such thing as <block Session1> exists in baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx. That block exists in cbm training session 6 april19.iqx, however, which is exactly the script expected to be run in session 8 / group 2:

As for the cause of the errors, almost certainly the script file got cut off and corrupted either during download or when it was stored on the device, leading to the various parsing errors.
[/quote]

Hi Dave, thank you for explaining all of this. Some follow-up questions:

1) "When you upload multiple script files at once when registering an experiment, the alphabetically first script will be automatically selected as the start script (that would have been baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx in your case), so you may not even have realized that this script was, in fact, the original start script and thus serves as the study's identifer in the logs."

Is there a way to clear all of the prior file names? This is the second time we have run into errors because of a prior file name, and I don't know how I would be able to catch these on my own without posting in the forums each time.

2) "That baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx wasn't actually run in session 8 is easy enough to see from the errors themselves. For example, no such thing as <block Session1> exists in baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx. That block exists in cbm training session 6 april19.iqx, however, which is exactly the script expected to be run in session 8 / group 2:"
This makes more sense now - I went to validate all of the scripts quickly (the participant was waiting) and no errors appeared. It seems that running the batch scripts lead to a bunch of errors that are hard for us to predict/anticipate from our test runs we do internally as a team. I am not sure if this means we need to purchase a second license to reduce the amount of batch scripts, pay for a programmer at Inquisit with our limited funds, or if there are other ways you would recommend managing these unanticipated issues before we can recruit additional participants.

3) "As for the cause of the errors, almost certainly the script file got cut off and corrupted either during download or when it was stored on the device, leading to the various parsing errors." Ok, thank you. Do you mean on the participant's end when they were downloading/storing on device, or when I was uploading these files?
[/quote]

Re. 1):

> Is there a way to clear all of the prior file names?

Not after the fact. When you register a new study, make sure you either upload the script that is to serve as the start script first or, if you're uploading multiple scripts, make sure the start script's name is alphabetically first.

> This is the second time we have run into errors because of a prior file name.

The error here is not because of a prior file name.

Re. 2):

I don't think you're running into any exceptional errors because of the use of batch scripts. Things will go wrong in online research, the systems are not under your control and will be in varying states of maintenance, a participant's connection may be flaky or suffering from other issues temporarily.

Re. 3):

On the participant's end. The files uploaded to the server are intact.

[/quote]

Ok, we have hopefully addressed some of those issues now, thank you.

Two next questions:

1) As for the cause of the errors, almost certainly the script file got cut off and corrupted either during download or when it was stored on the device, leading to the various parsing errors.
When this happens with a participant, what would you recommend we do to address the issue with the participant to start fresh? When this happened to us a few days ago, we had the participant fully quit out of Inquisit and restart, and also just entering the session ID in Inquisit player several times and it wouldn't load until we gave up and skipped that session and went on to the next one.

2) In my own testing, I keep running into "internet timeout error" for several different session IDs in Inquisit player. How would you recommend we address this with participants?

04/26/2022 - 00:36:17 Error baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.script Internet timeout error. Files pending: 2. 126

Thanks again

RE: Batch scripts between-subject and repeated measures design

Dave — Mon, 25 Apr 2022 21:36:50 GMT

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[b]inquisituser22 - 4/25/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]Dave - 4/22/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]inquisituser22 - 4/22/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]Dave - 4/22/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]inquisituser22 - 4/22/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]Dave - 4/22/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]inquisituser22 - 4/22/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]Dave - 4/22/2022[/b]
Actually scratch my last response, it was erroneous. (Skipping blocks used to be not supported on touch screens, but that is no longer the case.)

On a touch device, you can skip through blocks by drawing a mirrored Z-shape with two fingers across the screen. That is:
Lower left corner of the screen -> lower right corner -> diagonally up to upper left corner -> upper right corner.

These gestures may take a few attempts to get right, they're built so as to not be triggered accidentally.
[/quote]

Ok that is a big relief, thank you. At what point do we do that? any time during the session?
[/quote]

Yeah, these gestures should work at any point during a given script.
[/quote]

Ok thank you, we are working on figuring that out. In the meantime, we are having the participant we have in the study currently skipping ahead session IDs on their phone. We had them encounter a very odd error just now. We had them do what is session ID 8 (see script below) and it had the participant doing an .iqx file that is part of Session 1 instead. Please see log attached. You can see it says session 8 but then is not the file listed below in session 8's script. Any idea what we have done incorrectly or is this a glitch? Thank you.

session8_batch.iqx

****PSYCHOED GROUP****
<batch>
/ groups = (1 of 2)
/ file="psychoed session 6 March11.iqx"
</batch>

****CBM-I GROUP****
<batch>
/ groups = (2 of 2)
/ file="cbm training session 6 april19.iqx"
</batch>
[/quote]

There is no log attached.
[/quote]

Sorry - I didn't realize there was a limit for space for attachments of 5 MB - it won't let me post it as it says I have used 4 MB. I've copied instead, I apologize as I know it is harder to read.

It's also weird because this iqx that was erroneously run says it itself had an error, but when I went to validate the script, no error was even found. But, the bigger problem remains why was session 1 run instead of session 8.

8    2    0.0.0.0    iOS 15.4.1    Mobile Safari UI/WKWebView    6.5.2
Launch    04/22/2022 - 20:29:46
License    04/22/2022 - 20:29:46
Data
Finish
9
Event Times
Date/Time    Event    IP Address    OS    Client    User Agent    Data File
04/22/2022 - 20:19:58    LaunchButtonClick    0.0.0.0    iOS 15.4.1    Mobile Safari UI/WKWebView
Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) InquisitPlayer/6.5.2
04/22/2022 - 20:19:58    LicenseQuery    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:20:09    Error    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:20:59    LaunchButtonClick    0.0.0.0    iOS 15.4.1    Mobile Safari UI/WKWebView
Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) InquisitPlayer/6.5.2
04/22/2022 - 20:20:59    LicenseQuery    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:21:09    Error    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:29:46    LicenseQuery    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:29:46    LaunchButtonClick    0.0.0.0    iOS 15.4.1    Mobile Safari UI/WKWebView
Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) InquisitPlayer/6.5.2
04/22/2022 - 20:29:57    Error    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
Errors
Date/Time    Type    Script Element    Message    Error Code
04/22/2022 - 20:20:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.openended    Name of element is missing.    35
04/22/2022 - 20:20:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    Could not locate element 'Threatpositive6'.    15
04/22/2022 - 20:20:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    trial 1 is unassigned.    29
04/22/2022 - 20:21:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.openended    Name of element is missing.    35
04/22/2022 - 20:21:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    Could not locate element 'Threatpositive6'.    15
04/22/2022 - 20:21:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    trial 1 is unassigned.    29
04/22/2022 - 20:29:57    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    Could not locate element 'Threatpositive6'.    15
04/22/2022 - 20:29:57    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    trial 1 is unassigned.    29
04/22/2022 - 20:29:57    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.openended    Name of element is missing.    35
[/quote]

Thanks for the log excerpt. This descriptor

04/22/2022 - 20:20:09 Error baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.openended Name of element is missing. 35

is the name of the script file that was the study's start script when the experiment was initially registered. That descriptor is kept as an internal identifer, even if the start script is later changed to a different script and even if the original start script has been deleted. When you upload multiple script files at once when registering an experiment, the alphabetically first script will be automatically selected as the start script (that would have been baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx in your case), so you may not even have realized that this script was, in fact, the original start script and thus serves as the study's identifer in the logs.

That baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx wasn't actually run in session 8 is easy enough to see from the errors themselves. For example, no such thing as <block Session1> exists in baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx. That block exists in cbm training session 6 april19.iqx, however, which is exactly the script expected to be run in session 8 / group 2:

As for the cause of the errors, almost certainly the script file got cut off and corrupted either during download or when it was stored on the device, leading to the various parsing errors.
[/quote]

Hi Dave, thank you for explaining all of this. Some follow-up questions:

1) "When you upload multiple script files at once when registering an experiment, the alphabetically first script will be automatically selected as the start script (that would have been baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx in your case), so you may not even have realized that this script was, in fact, the original start script and thus serves as the study's identifer in the logs."

Is there a way to clear all of the prior file names? This is the second time we have run into errors because of a prior file name, and I don't know how I would be able to catch these on my own without posting in the forums each time.

2) "That baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx wasn't actually run in session 8 is easy enough to see from the errors themselves. For example, no such thing as <block Session1> exists in baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx. That block exists in cbm training session 6 april19.iqx, however, which is exactly the script expected to be run in session 8 / group 2:"
This makes more sense now - I went to validate all of the scripts quickly (the participant was waiting) and no errors appeared. It seems that running the batch scripts lead to a bunch of errors that are hard for us to predict/anticipate from our test runs we do internally as a team. I am not sure if this means we need to purchase a second license to reduce the amount of batch scripts, pay for a programmer at Inquisit with our limited funds, or if there are other ways you would recommend managing these unanticipated issues before we can recruit additional participants.

3) "As for the cause of the errors, almost certainly the script file got cut off and corrupted either during download or when it was stored on the device, leading to the various parsing errors." Ok, thank you. Do you mean on the participant's end when they were downloading/storing on device, or when I was uploading these files?
[/quote]

Re. 1):

> Is there a way to clear all of the prior file names?

Not after the fact. When you register a new study, make sure you either upload the script that is to serve as the start script first or, if you're uploading multiple scripts, make sure the start script's name is alphabetically first.

> This is the second time we have run into errors because of a prior file name.

The error here is not because of a prior file name.

Re. 2):

I don't think you're running into any exceptional errors because of the use of batch scripts. Things will go wrong in online research, the systems are not under your control and will be in varying states of maintenance, a participant's connection may be flaky or suffering from other issues temporarily.

Re. 3):

On the participant's end. The files uploaded to the server are intact.

RE: Batch scripts between-subject and repeated measures design

inquisituser22 — Mon, 25 Apr 2022 21:09:55 GMT

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[b]Dave - 4/22/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]inquisituser22 - 4/22/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]Dave - 4/22/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]inquisituser22 - 4/22/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]Dave - 4/22/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]inquisituser22 - 4/22/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]Dave - 4/22/2022[/b]
Actually scratch my last response, it was erroneous. (Skipping blocks used to be not supported on touch screens, but that is no longer the case.)

On a touch device, you can skip through blocks by drawing a mirrored Z-shape with two fingers across the screen. That is:
Lower left corner of the screen -> lower right corner -> diagonally up to upper left corner -> upper right corner.

These gestures may take a few attempts to get right, they're built so as to not be triggered accidentally.
[/quote]

Ok that is a big relief, thank you. At what point do we do that? any time during the session?
[/quote]

Yeah, these gestures should work at any point during a given script.
[/quote]

Ok thank you, we are working on figuring that out. In the meantime, we are having the participant we have in the study currently skipping ahead session IDs on their phone. We had them encounter a very odd error just now. We had them do what is session ID 8 (see script below) and it had the participant doing an .iqx file that is part of Session 1 instead. Please see log attached. You can see it says session 8 but then is not the file listed below in session 8's script. Any idea what we have done incorrectly or is this a glitch? Thank you.

session8_batch.iqx

****PSYCHOED GROUP****
<batch>
/ groups = (1 of 2)
/ file="psychoed session 6 March11.iqx"
</batch>

****CBM-I GROUP****
<batch>
/ groups = (2 of 2)
/ file="cbm training session 6 april19.iqx"
</batch>
[/quote]

There is no log attached.
[/quote]

Sorry - I didn't realize there was a limit for space for attachments of 5 MB - it won't let me post it as it says I have used 4 MB. I've copied instead, I apologize as I know it is harder to read.

It's also weird because this iqx that was erroneously run says it itself had an error, but when I went to validate the script, no error was even found. But, the bigger problem remains why was session 1 run instead of session 8.

8    2    0.0.0.0    iOS 15.4.1    Mobile Safari UI/WKWebView    6.5.2
Launch    04/22/2022 - 20:29:46
License    04/22/2022 - 20:29:46
Data
Finish
9
Event Times
Date/Time    Event    IP Address    OS    Client    User Agent    Data File
04/22/2022 - 20:19:58    LaunchButtonClick    0.0.0.0    iOS 15.4.1    Mobile Safari UI/WKWebView
Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) InquisitPlayer/6.5.2
04/22/2022 - 20:19:58    LicenseQuery    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:20:09    Error    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:20:59    LaunchButtonClick    0.0.0.0    iOS 15.4.1    Mobile Safari UI/WKWebView
Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) InquisitPlayer/6.5.2
04/22/2022 - 20:20:59    LicenseQuery    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:21:09    Error    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:29:46    LicenseQuery    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:29:46    LaunchButtonClick    0.0.0.0    iOS 15.4.1    Mobile Safari UI/WKWebView
Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) InquisitPlayer/6.5.2
04/22/2022 - 20:29:57    Error    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
Errors
Date/Time    Type    Script Element    Message    Error Code
04/22/2022 - 20:20:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.openended    Name of element is missing.    35
04/22/2022 - 20:20:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    Could not locate element 'Threatpositive6'.    15
04/22/2022 - 20:20:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    trial 1 is unassigned.    29
04/22/2022 - 20:21:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.openended    Name of element is missing.    35
04/22/2022 - 20:21:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    Could not locate element 'Threatpositive6'.    15
04/22/2022 - 20:21:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    trial 1 is unassigned.    29
04/22/2022 - 20:29:57    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    Could not locate element 'Threatpositive6'.    15
04/22/2022 - 20:29:57    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    trial 1 is unassigned.    29
04/22/2022 - 20:29:57    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.openended    Name of element is missing.    35
[/quote]

Thanks for the log excerpt. This descriptor

04/22/2022 - 20:20:09 Error baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.openended Name of element is missing. 35

is the name of the script file that was the study's start script when the experiment was initially registered. That descriptor is kept as an internal identifer, even if the start script is later changed to a different script and even if the original start script has been deleted. When you upload multiple script files at once when registering an experiment, the alphabetically first script will be automatically selected as the start script (that would have been baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx in your case), so you may not even have realized that this script was, in fact, the original start script and thus serves as the study's identifer in the logs.

That baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx wasn't actually run in session 8 is easy enough to see from the errors themselves. For example, no such thing as <block Session1> exists in baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx. That block exists in cbm training session 6 april19.iqx, however, which is exactly the script expected to be run in session 8 / group 2:

As for the cause of the errors, almost certainly the script file got cut off and corrupted either during download or when it was stored on the device, leading to the various parsing errors.
[/quote]

Hi Dave, thank you for explaining all of this. Some follow-up questions:

1) "When you upload multiple script files at once when registering an experiment, the alphabetically first script will be automatically selected as the start script (that would have been baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx in your case), so you may not even have realized that this script was, in fact, the original start script and thus serves as the study's identifer in the logs."

Is there a way to clear all of the prior file names? This is the second time we have run into errors because of a prior file name, and I don't know how I would be able to catch these on my own without posting in the forums each time.

2) "That baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx wasn't actually run in session 8 is easy enough to see from the errors themselves. For example, no such thing as <block Session1> exists in baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx. That block exists in cbm training session 6 april19.iqx, however, which is exactly the script expected to be run in session 8 / group 2:"
This makes more sense now - I went to validate all of the scripts quickly (the participant was waiting) and no errors appeared. It seems that running the batch scripts lead to a bunch of errors that are hard for us to predict/anticipate from our test runs we do internally as a team. I am not sure if this means we need to purchase a second license to reduce the amount of batch scripts, pay for a programmer at Inquisit with our limited funds, or if there are other ways you would recommend managing these unanticipated issues before we can recruit additional participants.

3) "As for the cause of the errors, almost certainly the script file got cut off and corrupted either during download or when it was stored on the device, leading to the various parsing errors." Ok, thank you. Do you mean on the participant's end when they were downloading/storing on device, or when I was uploading these files?

RE: Batch scripts between-subject and repeated measures design

Dave — Fri, 22 Apr 2022 22:26:46 GMT

+x[quote]

[b]inquisituser22 - 4/22/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]Dave - 4/22/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]inquisituser22 - 4/22/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]Dave - 4/22/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]inquisituser22 - 4/22/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]Dave - 4/22/2022[/b]
Actually scratch my last response, it was erroneous. (Skipping blocks used to be not supported on touch screens, but that is no longer the case.)

On a touch device, you can skip through blocks by drawing a mirrored Z-shape with two fingers across the screen. That is:
Lower left corner of the screen -> lower right corner -> diagonally up to upper left corner -> upper right corner.

These gestures may take a few attempts to get right, they're built so as to not be triggered accidentally.
[/quote]

Ok that is a big relief, thank you. At what point do we do that? any time during the session?
[/quote]

Yeah, these gestures should work at any point during a given script.
[/quote]

Ok thank you, we are working on figuring that out. In the meantime, we are having the participant we have in the study currently skipping ahead session IDs on their phone. We had them encounter a very odd error just now. We had them do what is session ID 8 (see script below) and it had the participant doing an .iqx file that is part of Session 1 instead. Please see log attached. You can see it says session 8 but then is not the file listed below in session 8's script. Any idea what we have done incorrectly or is this a glitch? Thank you.

session8_batch.iqx

****PSYCHOED GROUP****
<batch>
/ groups = (1 of 2)
/ file="psychoed session 6 March11.iqx"
</batch>

****CBM-I GROUP****
<batch>
/ groups = (2 of 2)
/ file="cbm training session 6 april19.iqx"
</batch>
[/quote]

There is no log attached.
[/quote]

Sorry - I didn't realize there was a limit for space for attachments of 5 MB - it won't let me post it as it says I have used 4 MB. I've copied instead, I apologize as I know it is harder to read.

It's also weird because this iqx that was erroneously run says it itself had an error, but when I went to validate the script, no error was even found. But, the bigger problem remains why was session 1 run instead of session 8.

8    2    0.0.0.0    iOS 15.4.1    Mobile Safari UI/WKWebView    6.5.2
Launch    04/22/2022 - 20:29:46
License    04/22/2022 - 20:29:46
Data
Finish
9
Event Times
Date/Time    Event    IP Address    OS    Client    User Agent    Data File
04/22/2022 - 20:19:58    LaunchButtonClick    0.0.0.0    iOS 15.4.1    Mobile Safari UI/WKWebView
Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) InquisitPlayer/6.5.2
04/22/2022 - 20:19:58    LicenseQuery    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:20:09    Error    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:20:59    LaunchButtonClick    0.0.0.0    iOS 15.4.1    Mobile Safari UI/WKWebView
Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) InquisitPlayer/6.5.2
04/22/2022 - 20:20:59    LicenseQuery    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:21:09    Error    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:29:46    LicenseQuery    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:29:46    LaunchButtonClick    0.0.0.0    iOS 15.4.1    Mobile Safari UI/WKWebView
Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) InquisitPlayer/6.5.2
04/22/2022 - 20:29:57    Error    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
Errors
Date/Time    Type    Script Element    Message    Error Code
04/22/2022 - 20:20:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.openended    Name of element is missing.    35
04/22/2022 - 20:20:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    Could not locate element 'Threatpositive6'.    15
04/22/2022 - 20:20:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    trial 1 is unassigned.    29
04/22/2022 - 20:21:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.openended    Name of element is missing.    35
04/22/2022 - 20:21:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    Could not locate element 'Threatpositive6'.    15
04/22/2022 - 20:21:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    trial 1 is unassigned.    29
04/22/2022 - 20:29:57    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    Could not locate element 'Threatpositive6'.    15
04/22/2022 - 20:29:57    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    trial 1 is unassigned.    29
04/22/2022 - 20:29:57    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.openended    Name of element is missing.    35
[/quote]

Thanks for the log excerpt. This descriptor

04/22/2022 - 20:20:09 Error baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.openended Name of element is missing. 35

is the name of the script file that was the study's start script when the experiment was initially registered. That descriptor is kept as an internal identifer, even if the start script is later changed to a different script and even if the original start script has been deleted. When you upload multiple script files at once when registering an experiment, the alphabetically first script will be automatically selected as the start script (that would have been baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx in your case), so you may not even have realized that this script was, in fact, the original start script and thus serves as the study's identifer in the logs.

That baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx wasn't actually run in session 8 is easy enough to see from the errors themselves. For example, no such thing as <block Session1> exists in baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx. That block exists in cbm training session 6 april19.iqx, however, which is exactly the script expected to be run in session 8 / group 2:

As for the cause of the errors, almost certainly the script file got cut off and corrupted either during download or when it was stored on the device, leading to the various parsing errors.

RE: Batch scripts between-subject and repeated measures design

inquisituser22 — Fri, 22 Apr 2022 21:38:59 GMT

+x[quote]

[b]Dave - 4/22/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]inquisituser22 - 4/22/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]Dave - 4/22/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]inquisituser22 - 4/22/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]Dave - 4/22/2022[/b]
Actually scratch my last response, it was erroneous. (Skipping blocks used to be not supported on touch screens, but that is no longer the case.)

On a touch device, you can skip through blocks by drawing a mirrored Z-shape with two fingers across the screen. That is:
Lower left corner of the screen -> lower right corner -> diagonally up to upper left corner -> upper right corner.

These gestures may take a few attempts to get right, they're built so as to not be triggered accidentally.
[/quote]

Ok that is a big relief, thank you. At what point do we do that? any time during the session?
[/quote]

Yeah, these gestures should work at any point during a given script.
[/quote]

Ok thank you, we are working on figuring that out. In the meantime, we are having the participant we have in the study currently skipping ahead session IDs on their phone. We had them encounter a very odd error just now. We had them do what is session ID 8 (see script below) and it had the participant doing an .iqx file that is part of Session 1 instead. Please see log attached. You can see it says session 8 but then is not the file listed below in session 8's script. Any idea what we have done incorrectly or is this a glitch? Thank you.

session8_batch.iqx

****PSYCHOED GROUP****
<batch>
/ groups = (1 of 2)
/ file="psychoed session 6 March11.iqx"
</batch>

****CBM-I GROUP****
<batch>
/ groups = (2 of 2)
/ file="cbm training session 6 april19.iqx"
</batch>
[/quote]

There is no log attached.
[/quote]

Sorry - I didn't realize there was a limit for space for attachments of 5 MB - it won't let me post it as it says I have used 4 MB. I've copied instead, I apologize as I know it is harder to read.

It's also weird because this iqx that was erroneously run says it itself had an error, but when I went to validate the script, no error was even found. But, the bigger problem remains why was session 1 run instead of session 8.

8    2    0.0.0.0    iOS 15.4.1    Mobile Safari UI/WKWebView    6.5.2
Launch    04/22/2022 - 20:29:46
License    04/22/2022 - 20:29:46
Data
Finish
9
Event Times
Date/Time    Event    IP Address    OS    Client    User Agent    Data File
04/22/2022 - 20:19:58    LaunchButtonClick    0.0.0.0    iOS 15.4.1    Mobile Safari UI/WKWebView
Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) InquisitPlayer/6.5.2
04/22/2022 - 20:19:58    LicenseQuery    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:20:09    Error    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:20:59    LaunchButtonClick    0.0.0.0    iOS 15.4.1    Mobile Safari UI/WKWebView
Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) InquisitPlayer/6.5.2
04/22/2022 - 20:20:59    LicenseQuery    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:21:09    Error    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:29:46    LicenseQuery    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
04/22/2022 - 20:29:46    LaunchButtonClick    0.0.0.0    iOS 15.4.1    Mobile Safari UI/WKWebView
Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) InquisitPlayer/6.5.2
04/22/2022 - 20:29:57    Error    0.0.0.0    iPhone    InquisitPlayer 6.5.2 ARM64
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; InquisitPlayer/6.5.2; iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 15_4_1 like Mac OS X; ARM64)
Errors
Date/Time    Type    Script Element    Message    Error Code
04/22/2022 - 20:20:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.openended    Name of element is missing.    35
04/22/2022 - 20:20:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    Could not locate element 'Threatpositive6'.    15
04/22/2022 - 20:20:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    trial 1 is unassigned.    29
04/22/2022 - 20:21:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.openended    Name of element is missing.    35
04/22/2022 - 20:21:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    Could not locate element 'Threatpositive6'.    15
04/22/2022 - 20:21:09    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    trial 1 is unassigned.    29
04/22/2022 - 20:29:57    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    Could not locate element 'Threatpositive6'.    15
04/22/2022 - 20:29:57    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.block.Session1.trials    trial 1 is unassigned.    29
04/22/2022 - 20:29:57    Error    baseline assessment 2-28-22 final.iqx.openended    Name of element is missing.    35

RE: Batch scripts between-subject and repeated measures design

Dave — Fri, 22 Apr 2022 21:28:11 GMT

+x[quote]

[b]inquisituser22 - 4/22/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]Dave - 4/22/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]inquisituser22 - 4/22/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]Dave - 4/22/2022[/b]
Actually scratch my last response, it was erroneous. (Skipping blocks used to be not supported on touch screens, but that is no longer the case.)

On a touch device, you can skip through blocks by drawing a mirrored Z-shape with two fingers across the screen. That is:
Lower left corner of the screen -> lower right corner -> diagonally up to upper left corner -> upper right corner.

These gestures may take a few attempts to get right, they're built so as to not be triggered accidentally.
[/quote]

Ok that is a big relief, thank you. At what point do we do that? any time during the session?
[/quote]

Yeah, these gestures should work at any point during a given script.
[/quote]

Ok thank you, we are working on figuring that out. In the meantime, we are having the participant we have in the study currently skipping ahead session IDs on their phone. We had them encounter a very odd error just now. We had them do what is session ID 8 (see script below) and it had the participant doing an .iqx file that is part of Session 1 instead. Please see log attached. You can see it says session 8 but then is not the file listed below in session 8's script. Any idea what we have done incorrectly or is this a glitch? Thank you.

session8_batch.iqx

****PSYCHOED GROUP****
<batch>
/ groups = (1 of 2)
/ file="psychoed session 6 March11.iqx"
</batch>

****CBM-I GROUP****
<batch>
/ groups = (2 of 2)
/ file="cbm training session 6 april19.iqx"
</batch>
[/quote]

There is no log attached.

RE: Batch scripts between-subject and repeated measures design

inquisituser22 — Fri, 22 Apr 2022 20:43:29 GMT

+x[quote]

[b]Dave - 4/22/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]inquisituser22 - 4/22/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]Dave - 4/22/2022[/b]
Actually scratch my last response, it was erroneous. (Skipping blocks used to be not supported on touch screens, but that is no longer the case.)

On a touch device, you can skip through blocks by drawing a mirrored Z-shape with two fingers across the screen. That is:
Lower left corner of the screen -> lower right corner -> diagonally up to upper left corner -> upper right corner.

These gestures may take a few attempts to get right, they're built so as to not be triggered accidentally.
[/quote]

Ok that is a big relief, thank you. At what point do we do that? any time during the session?
[/quote]

Yeah, these gestures should work at any point during a given script.
[/quote]

Ok thank you, we are working on figuring that out. In the meantime, we are having the participant we have in the study currently skipping ahead session IDs on their phone. We had them encounter a very odd error just now. We had them do what is session ID 8 (see script below) and it had the participant doing an .iqx file that is part of Session 1 instead. Please see log attached. You can see it says session 8 but then is not the file listed below in session 8's script. Any idea what we have done incorrectly or is this a glitch? Thank you.

session8_batch.iqx

****PSYCHOED GROUP****
<batch>
/ groups = (1 of 2)
/ file="psychoed session 6 March11.iqx"
</batch>

****CBM-I GROUP****
<batch>
/ groups = (2 of 2)
/ file="cbm training session 6 april19.iqx"
</batch>

RE: Batch scripts between-subject and repeated measures design

Dave — Fri, 22 Apr 2022 18:57:03 GMT

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[b]inquisituser22 - 4/22/2022[/b]
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[b]Dave - 4/22/2022[/b]
Actually scratch my last response, it was erroneous. (Skipping blocks used to be not supported on touch screens, but that is no longer the case.)

On a touch device, you can skip through blocks by drawing a mirrored Z-shape with two fingers across the screen. That is:
Lower left corner of the screen -> lower right corner -> diagonally up to upper left corner -> upper right corner.

These gestures may take a few attempts to get right, they're built so as to not be triggered accidentally.
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Ok that is a big relief, thank you. At what point do we do that? any time during the session?
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Yeah, these gestures should work at any point during a given script.

RE: Batch scripts between-subject and repeated measures design

inquisituser22 — Fri, 22 Apr 2022 18:48:13 GMT

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[b]Dave - 4/22/2022[/b]
Actually scratch my last response, it was erroneous. (Skipping blocks used to be not supported on touch screens, but that is no longer the case.)

On a touch device, you can skip through blocks by drawing a mirrored Z-shape with two fingers across the screen. That is:
Lower left corner of the screen -> lower right corner -> diagonally up to upper left corner -> upper right corner.

These gestures may take a few attempts to get right, they're built so as to not be triggered accidentally.
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Ok that is a big relief, thank you. At what point do we do that? any time during the session?

RE: Batch scripts between-subject and repeated measures design

Dave — Fri, 22 Apr 2022 18:46:53 GMT

Actually scratch my last response, it was erroneous. (Skipping blocks used to be not supported on touch screens, but that is no longer the case.)

On a touch device, you can skip through blocks by drawing a mirrored Z-shape with two fingers across the screen. That is:
Lower left corner of the screen -> lower right corner -> diagonally up to upper left corner -> upper right corner.

These gestures may take a few attempts to get right, they're built so as to not be triggered accidentally.

RE: Batch scripts between-subject and repeated measures design

Dave — Fri, 22 Apr 2022 18:17:25 GMT

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[b]inquisituser22 - 4/19/2022[/b]
Hello,
We have begun to implement the batch script with participants in our study and have unfortunately run into some issues.

We have been needing to manually jump to a different session ID within the script when a participant misses a session within the Inquisit Player. However, when we have the participant click on their same link they are not brought to where they should be chronologically in the script. For example, we had someone do session 6 for us by manually typing that into the test tab of Inquisit Player, with the session ID # as 6. When we sent the same link back to them we hoped that the batch code would bring them to session ID # 7, however, they were brought back to session 1. How can we make sure our batch script picks up on jumping ahead chronologically if this is possible? Please see screenshot of the log from this attached. We have also attached our batch script.

Another issue that seems very odd was we have no record of sending our participants (over email) a link with groupid=1234 and instead only see communications where we used "groupid=2" but somehow they ended up completing the wrong condition for the study by using this link (which we can see in the Logs) "https://mili2nd.co/eo6b?subjectid=1&groupid=1234" - is that at all possible? We can't figure out how that happened.

Thank you very much for any guidance

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> For example, we had someone do session 6 for us by manually typing that into the test tab of Inquisit Player, with the session ID # as 6. When we sent the same link back to them we hoped that the batch code would bring them to session ID # 7, however, they were brought back to session 1. How can we make sure our batch script picks up on jumping ahead chronologically if this is possible?

Manually entering the session number in the player provides an override, it does not in any way change the session status as tracked by the server.

> "https://mili2nd.co/eo6b?subjectid=1&groupid=1234"

are the default values for subject id and group id you get when you click the launch page link in your account.

So this would have been someone from your team either doing a test run or someone from your team just copy / pasting that link and provding it to somebody else.
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Thank you for the quick reply. That's what I had thought as well about the default values but none of us believe we used that link. I'll just ignore that for now as it seems like a fluke and not a systematic issue!

However, we are concerned about how to handle the issue with the batch scripts. So we can provide an override which is great for having the participants jump ahead when needed to a session further along in the batch script, but the functionality doesn't exist for the link continuing to track that the participant just did session 6, so now it is time for them to do session 7 instead of doing session 1? Is there a way for us to make a request for this functionality? Otherwise is the only solution the participant would need to enter this override every time they use the link?

Thank you agai
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> So we can provide an override which is great for having the participants jump ahead when needed to a session further along in the batch script, but the functionality doesn't exist for the link continuing to track that the participant just did session 6, so now it is time for them to do session 7 instead of doing session 1?

Correct. In fact, it wouldn't be good to automatically continue with session 7. Consider the following scenario: Participant X has completed sessions 1 to 3, but during the 4th session something comes up, let's say a family urgency, and the participant has to exit the session prematurely. Next day, participant X completes session 5 and lets you know about their issue with during session 4. Thanks to the override, you can have participant X re-do the 4th session and then automatically pick back up where they technically left off, with session 6.

> Otherwise is the only solution the participant would need to enter this override every time they use the link?

They can launch the session they want / need anytime by opening the player app, going to the tests tab, and entering the session number and hitting the play button. The "link" doesn't come into play here at all.
[/quote]

Ok, thank you for explaining this. Could one way to get around being able to override the script and have it pick up where people left off, when relevant/helpful for us, be to upload anything different in the data folder or anything like that? We are concerned about participants who aren't as tech-savvy and won't be as capable of changing the session ID each time.
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There currently exists no convenient way to change the session status server-side, but what you could do is launch the experiment X times under the participant's ID to bump the session count for that participant to where you want it to be.
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Thanks for letting me know about this. We were hoping we wouldn't need to complete each session's tasks in order to skip ahead but it looks like we would need to complete each session, which could also get confusing from a data perspective later on. Is there a way to skip to the end of each session more easily? Thank you agai
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> Is there a way to skip to the end of each session more easily?

What do you mean by "skip to the end"? And more easily compared to what?
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Thanks for the quick reply. Within each session, there are a bunch of tasks that participants need to do. When we need to skip ahead within the batch script to a session further along, you had said we could launch the experiment X times to bump the session count to where we want it to be. When we did this, it looks like we need to complete all of the tasks the participants need to complete, and we would like to know if there is a way to do this WITHOUT having to respond to the tasks. First of all because it saves us time, but more importantly because then we won't have inaccurate data for these subjects. Thank you
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Yes, of course there is a way to terminate either a single script or an entire batch of scripts.

To skip through blocks in a given script, press CTRL+B.
To terminate a single script, press CTRL+Q.
To terminate an entire batch of scripts, press CTRL+SHIFT+Q.

If you're on a touch-screen device, draw a Z-shape with two fingers acrross the entire screen to terminate an entire batch of scripts.

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Adding, in addition, you can prevent uploading of any inadvertently created data files during this process by disabling automatic data file upload in the player on the device you're doing this on. Open the player app on the device, go to its Data tab, and uncheck the "Automatic Upload" box.

RE: Batch scripts between-subject and repeated measures design

inquisituser22 — Fri, 22 Apr 2022 18:15:55 GMT

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[b]inquisituser22 - 4/19/2022[/b]
Hello,
We have begun to implement the batch script with participants in our study and have unfortunately run into some issues.

We have been needing to manually jump to a different session ID within the script when a participant misses a session within the Inquisit Player. However, when we have the participant click on their same link they are not brought to where they should be chronologically in the script. For example, we had someone do session 6 for us by manually typing that into the test tab of Inquisit Player, with the session ID # as 6. When we sent the same link back to them we hoped that the batch code would bring them to session ID # 7, however, they were brought back to session 1. How can we make sure our batch script picks up on jumping ahead chronologically if this is possible? Please see screenshot of the log from this attached. We have also attached our batch script.

Another issue that seems very odd was we have no record of sending our participants (over email) a link with groupid=1234 and instead only see communications where we used "groupid=2" but somehow they ended up completing the wrong condition for the study by using this link (which we can see in the Logs) "https://mili2nd.co/eo6b?subjectid=1&groupid=1234" - is that at all possible? We can't figure out how that happened.

Thank you very much for any guidance

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> For example, we had someone do session 6 for us by manually typing that into the test tab of Inquisit Player, with the session ID # as 6. When we sent the same link back to them we hoped that the batch code would bring them to session ID # 7, however, they were brought back to session 1. How can we make sure our batch script picks up on jumping ahead chronologically if this is possible?

Manually entering the session number in the player provides an override, it does not in any way change the session status as tracked by the server.

> "https://mili2nd.co/eo6b?subjectid=1&groupid=1234"

are the default values for subject id and group id you get when you click the launch page link in your account.

So this would have been someone from your team either doing a test run or someone from your team just copy / pasting that link and provding it to somebody else.
[/quote]

Thank you for the quick reply. That's what I had thought as well about the default values but none of us believe we used that link. I'll just ignore that for now as it seems like a fluke and not a systematic issue!

However, we are concerned about how to handle the issue with the batch scripts. So we can provide an override which is great for having the participants jump ahead when needed to a session further along in the batch script, but the functionality doesn't exist for the link continuing to track that the participant just did session 6, so now it is time for them to do session 7 instead of doing session 1? Is there a way for us to make a request for this functionality? Otherwise is the only solution the participant would need to enter this override every time they use the link?

Thank you agai
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> So we can provide an override which is great for having the participants jump ahead when needed to a session further along in the batch script, but the functionality doesn't exist for the link continuing to track that the participant just did session 6, so now it is time for them to do session 7 instead of doing session 1?

Correct. In fact, it wouldn't be good to automatically continue with session 7. Consider the following scenario: Participant X has completed sessions 1 to 3, but during the 4th session something comes up, let's say a family urgency, and the participant has to exit the session prematurely. Next day, participant X completes session 5 and lets you know about their issue with during session 4. Thanks to the override, you can have participant X re-do the 4th session and then automatically pick back up where they technically left off, with session 6.

> Otherwise is the only solution the participant would need to enter this override every time they use the link?

They can launch the session they want / need anytime by opening the player app, going to the tests tab, and entering the session number and hitting the play button. The "link" doesn't come into play here at all.
[/quote]

Ok, thank you for explaining this. Could one way to get around being able to override the script and have it pick up where people left off, when relevant/helpful for us, be to upload anything different in the data folder or anything like that? We are concerned about participants who aren't as tech-savvy and won't be as capable of changing the session ID each time.
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There currently exists no convenient way to change the session status server-side, but what you could do is launch the experiment X times under the participant's ID to bump the session count for that participant to where you want it to be.
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Thanks for letting me know about this. We were hoping we wouldn't need to complete each session's tasks in order to skip ahead but it looks like we would need to complete each session, which could also get confusing from a data perspective later on. Is there a way to skip to the end of each session more easily? Thank you agai
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> Is there a way to skip to the end of each session more easily?

What do you mean by "skip to the end"? And more easily compared to what?
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Thanks for the quick reply. Within each session, there are a bunch of tasks that participants need to do. When we need to skip ahead within the batch script to a session further along, you had said we could launch the experiment X times to bump the session count to where we want it to be. When we did this, it looks like we need to complete all of the tasks the participants need to complete, and we would like to know if there is a way to do this WITHOUT having to respond to the tasks. First of all because it saves us time, but more importantly because then we won't have inaccurate data for these subjects. Thank you
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Yes, of course there is a way to terminate either a single script or an entire batch of scripts.

To skip through blocks in a given script, press CTRL+B.
To terminate a single script, press CTRL+Q.
To terminate an entire batch of scripts, press CTRL+SHIFT+Q.

If you're on a touch-screen device, draw a Z-shape with two fingers acrross the entire screen to terminate an entire batch of scripts.

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Thank you, drawing a Z is interesting - glad I asked! Just to be very clear, we are looking to skip through the blocks in the script, to advance between sessions - is there another prompt for touchscreens that could facilitate that?

RE: Batch scripts between-subject and repeated measures design

Dave — Fri, 22 Apr 2022 18:11:59 GMT

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[b]inquisituser22 - 4/19/2022[/b]
Hello,
We have begun to implement the batch script with participants in our study and have unfortunately run into some issues.

We have been needing to manually jump to a different session ID within the script when a participant misses a session within the Inquisit Player. However, when we have the participant click on their same link they are not brought to where they should be chronologically in the script. For example, we had someone do session 6 for us by manually typing that into the test tab of Inquisit Player, with the session ID # as 6. When we sent the same link back to them we hoped that the batch code would bring them to session ID # 7, however, they were brought back to session 1. How can we make sure our batch script picks up on jumping ahead chronologically if this is possible? Please see screenshot of the log from this attached. We have also attached our batch script.

Another issue that seems very odd was we have no record of sending our participants (over email) a link with groupid=1234 and instead only see communications where we used "groupid=2" but somehow they ended up completing the wrong condition for the study by using this link (which we can see in the Logs) "https://mili2nd.co/eo6b?subjectid=1&groupid=1234" - is that at all possible? We can't figure out how that happened.

Thank you very much for any guidance

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> For example, we had someone do session 6 for us by manually typing that into the test tab of Inquisit Player, with the session ID # as 6. When we sent the same link back to them we hoped that the batch code would bring them to session ID # 7, however, they were brought back to session 1. How can we make sure our batch script picks up on jumping ahead chronologically if this is possible?

Manually entering the session number in the player provides an override, it does not in any way change the session status as tracked by the server.

> "https://mili2nd.co/eo6b?subjectid=1&groupid=1234"

are the default values for subject id and group id you get when you click the launch page link in your account.

So this would have been someone from your team either doing a test run or someone from your team just copy / pasting that link and provding it to somebody else.
[/quote]

Thank you for the quick reply. That's what I had thought as well about the default values but none of us believe we used that link. I'll just ignore that for now as it seems like a fluke and not a systematic issue!

However, we are concerned about how to handle the issue with the batch scripts. So we can provide an override which is great for having the participants jump ahead when needed to a session further along in the batch script, but the functionality doesn't exist for the link continuing to track that the participant just did session 6, so now it is time for them to do session 7 instead of doing session 1? Is there a way for us to make a request for this functionality? Otherwise is the only solution the participant would need to enter this override every time they use the link?

Thank you agai
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> So we can provide an override which is great for having the participants jump ahead when needed to a session further along in the batch script, but the functionality doesn't exist for the link continuing to track that the participant just did session 6, so now it is time for them to do session 7 instead of doing session 1?

Correct. In fact, it wouldn't be good to automatically continue with session 7. Consider the following scenario: Participant X has completed sessions 1 to 3, but during the 4th session something comes up, let's say a family urgency, and the participant has to exit the session prematurely. Next day, participant X completes session 5 and lets you know about their issue with during session 4. Thanks to the override, you can have participant X re-do the 4th session and then automatically pick back up where they technically left off, with session 6.

> Otherwise is the only solution the participant would need to enter this override every time they use the link?

They can launch the session they want / need anytime by opening the player app, going to the tests tab, and entering the session number and hitting the play button. The "link" doesn't come into play here at all.
[/quote]

Ok, thank you for explaining this. Could one way to get around being able to override the script and have it pick up where people left off, when relevant/helpful for us, be to upload anything different in the data folder or anything like that? We are concerned about participants who aren't as tech-savvy and won't be as capable of changing the session ID each time.
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There currently exists no convenient way to change the session status server-side, but what you could do is launch the experiment X times under the participant's ID to bump the session count for that participant to where you want it to be.
[/quote]
Thanks for letting me know about this. We were hoping we wouldn't need to complete each session's tasks in order to skip ahead but it looks like we would need to complete each session, which could also get confusing from a data perspective later on. Is there a way to skip to the end of each session more easily? Thank you agai
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> Is there a way to skip to the end of each session more easily?

What do you mean by "skip to the end"? And more easily compared to what?
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Thanks for the quick reply. Within each session, there are a bunch of tasks that participants need to do. When we need to skip ahead within the batch script to a session further along, you had said we could launch the experiment X times to bump the session count to where we want it to be. When we did this, it looks like we need to complete all of the tasks the participants need to complete, and we would like to know if there is a way to do this WITHOUT having to respond to the tasks. First of all because it saves us time, but more importantly because then we won't have inaccurate data for these subjects. Thank you
[/quote]

Yes, of course there is a way to terminate either a single script or an entire batch of scripts.

To skip through blocks in a given script, press CTRL+B.
To terminate a single script, press CTRL+Q.
To terminate an entire batch of scripts, press CTRL+SHIFT+Q.

If you're on a touch-screen device, draw a Z-shape with two fingers acrross the entire screen to terminate an entire batch of scripts.

RE: Batch scripts between-subject and repeated measures design

inquisituser22 — Fri, 22 Apr 2022 18:03:15 GMT

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[b]inquisituser22 - 4/19/2022[/b]
Hello,
We have begun to implement the batch script with participants in our study and have unfortunately run into some issues.

We have been needing to manually jump to a different session ID within the script when a participant misses a session within the Inquisit Player. However, when we have the participant click on their same link they are not brought to where they should be chronologically in the script. For example, we had someone do session 6 for us by manually typing that into the test tab of Inquisit Player, with the session ID # as 6. When we sent the same link back to them we hoped that the batch code would bring them to session ID # 7, however, they were brought back to session 1. How can we make sure our batch script picks up on jumping ahead chronologically if this is possible? Please see screenshot of the log from this attached. We have also attached our batch script.

Another issue that seems very odd was we have no record of sending our participants (over email) a link with groupid=1234 and instead only see communications where we used "groupid=2" but somehow they ended up completing the wrong condition for the study by using this link (which we can see in the Logs) "https://mili2nd.co/eo6b?subjectid=1&groupid=1234" - is that at all possible? We can't figure out how that happened.

Thank you very much for any guidance

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> For example, we had someone do session 6 for us by manually typing that into the test tab of Inquisit Player, with the session ID # as 6. When we sent the same link back to them we hoped that the batch code would bring them to session ID # 7, however, they were brought back to session 1. How can we make sure our batch script picks up on jumping ahead chronologically if this is possible?

Manually entering the session number in the player provides an override, it does not in any way change the session status as tracked by the server.

> "https://mili2nd.co/eo6b?subjectid=1&groupid=1234"

are the default values for subject id and group id you get when you click the launch page link in your account.

So this would have been someone from your team either doing a test run or someone from your team just copy / pasting that link and provding it to somebody else.
[/quote]

Thank you for the quick reply. That's what I had thought as well about the default values but none of us believe we used that link. I'll just ignore that for now as it seems like a fluke and not a systematic issue!

However, we are concerned about how to handle the issue with the batch scripts. So we can provide an override which is great for having the participants jump ahead when needed to a session further along in the batch script, but the functionality doesn't exist for the link continuing to track that the participant just did session 6, so now it is time for them to do session 7 instead of doing session 1? Is there a way for us to make a request for this functionality? Otherwise is the only solution the participant would need to enter this override every time they use the link?

Thank you agai
[/quote]

> So we can provide an override which is great for having the participants jump ahead when needed to a session further along in the batch script, but the functionality doesn't exist for the link continuing to track that the participant just did session 6, so now it is time for them to do session 7 instead of doing session 1?

Correct. In fact, it wouldn't be good to automatically continue with session 7. Consider the following scenario: Participant X has completed sessions 1 to 3, but during the 4th session something comes up, let's say a family urgency, and the participant has to exit the session prematurely. Next day, participant X completes session 5 and lets you know about their issue with during session 4. Thanks to the override, you can have participant X re-do the 4th session and then automatically pick back up where they technically left off, with session 6.

> Otherwise is the only solution the participant would need to enter this override every time they use the link?

They can launch the session they want / need anytime by opening the player app, going to the tests tab, and entering the session number and hitting the play button. The "link" doesn't come into play here at all.
[/quote]

Ok, thank you for explaining this. Could one way to get around being able to override the script and have it pick up where people left off, when relevant/helpful for us, be to upload anything different in the data folder or anything like that? We are concerned about participants who aren't as tech-savvy and won't be as capable of changing the session ID each time.
[/quote]

There currently exists no convenient way to change the session status server-side, but what you could do is launch the experiment X times under the participant's ID to bump the session count for that participant to where you want it to be.
[/quote]
Thanks for letting me know about this. We were hoping we wouldn't need to complete each session's tasks in order to skip ahead but it looks like we would need to complete each session, which could also get confusing from a data perspective later on. Is there a way to skip to the end of each session more easily? Thank you agai
[/quote]

> Is there a way to skip to the end of each session more easily?

What do you mean by "skip to the end"? And more easily compared to what?
[/quote]

Thanks for the quick reply. Within each session, there are a bunch of tasks that participants need to do. When we need to skip ahead within the batch script to a session further along, you had said we could launch the experiment X times to bump the session count to where we want it to be. When we did this, it looks like we need to complete all of the tasks the participants need to complete, and we would like to know if there is a way to do this WITHOUT having to respond to the tasks. First of all because it saves us time, but more importantly because then we won't have inaccurate data for these subjects. Thank you

RE: Batch scripts between-subject and repeated measures design

Dave — Fri, 22 Apr 2022 18:01:03 GMT

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[b]inquisituser22 - 4/19/2022[/b]
Hello,
We have begun to implement the batch script with participants in our study and have unfortunately run into some issues.

We have been needing to manually jump to a different session ID within the script when a participant misses a session within the Inquisit Player. However, when we have the participant click on their same link they are not brought to where they should be chronologically in the script. For example, we had someone do session 6 for us by manually typing that into the test tab of Inquisit Player, with the session ID # as 6. When we sent the same link back to them we hoped that the batch code would bring them to session ID # 7, however, they were brought back to session 1. How can we make sure our batch script picks up on jumping ahead chronologically if this is possible? Please see screenshot of the log from this attached. We have also attached our batch script.

Another issue that seems very odd was we have no record of sending our participants (over email) a link with groupid=1234 and instead only see communications where we used "groupid=2" but somehow they ended up completing the wrong condition for the study by using this link (which we can see in the Logs) "https://mili2nd.co/eo6b?subjectid=1&groupid=1234" - is that at all possible? We can't figure out how that happened.

Thank you very much for any guidance

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> For example, we had someone do session 6 for us by manually typing that into the test tab of Inquisit Player, with the session ID # as 6. When we sent the same link back to them we hoped that the batch code would bring them to session ID # 7, however, they were brought back to session 1. How can we make sure our batch script picks up on jumping ahead chronologically if this is possible?

Manually entering the session number in the player provides an override, it does not in any way change the session status as tracked by the server.

> "https://mili2nd.co/eo6b?subjectid=1&groupid=1234"

are the default values for subject id and group id you get when you click the launch page link in your account.

So this would have been someone from your team either doing a test run or someone from your team just copy / pasting that link and provding it to somebody else.
[/quote]

Thank you for the quick reply. That's what I had thought as well about the default values but none of us believe we used that link. I'll just ignore that for now as it seems like a fluke and not a systematic issue!

However, we are concerned about how to handle the issue with the batch scripts. So we can provide an override which is great for having the participants jump ahead when needed to a session further along in the batch script, but the functionality doesn't exist for the link continuing to track that the participant just did session 6, so now it is time for them to do session 7 instead of doing session 1? Is there a way for us to make a request for this functionality? Otherwise is the only solution the participant would need to enter this override every time they use the link?

Thank you agai
[/quote]

> So we can provide an override which is great for having the participants jump ahead when needed to a session further along in the batch script, but the functionality doesn't exist for the link continuing to track that the participant just did session 6, so now it is time for them to do session 7 instead of doing session 1?

Correct. In fact, it wouldn't be good to automatically continue with session 7. Consider the following scenario: Participant X has completed sessions 1 to 3, but during the 4th session something comes up, let's say a family urgency, and the participant has to exit the session prematurely. Next day, participant X completes session 5 and lets you know about their issue with during session 4. Thanks to the override, you can have participant X re-do the 4th session and then automatically pick back up where they technically left off, with session 6.

> Otherwise is the only solution the participant would need to enter this override every time they use the link?

They can launch the session they want / need anytime by opening the player app, going to the tests tab, and entering the session number and hitting the play button. The "link" doesn't come into play here at all.
[/quote]

Ok, thank you for explaining this. Could one way to get around being able to override the script and have it pick up where people left off, when relevant/helpful for us, be to upload anything different in the data folder or anything like that? We are concerned about participants who aren't as tech-savvy and won't be as capable of changing the session ID each time.
[/quote]

There currently exists no convenient way to change the session status server-side, but what you could do is launch the experiment X times under the participant's ID to bump the session count for that participant to where you want it to be.
[/quote]
Thanks for letting me know about this. We were hoping we wouldn't need to complete each session's tasks in order to skip ahead but it looks like we would need to complete each session, which could also get confusing from a data perspective later on. Is there a way to skip to the end of each session more easily? Thank you agai
[/quote]

> Is there a way to skip to the end of each session more easily?

What do you mean by "skip to the end"? And more easily compared to what?

RE: Batch scripts between-subject and repeated measures design

inquisituser22 — Fri, 22 Apr 2022 17:58:04 GMT

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[b]Dave - 4/20/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]inquisituser22 - 4/20/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]Dave - 4/19/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]inquisituser22 - 4/19/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]Dave - 4/19/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]inquisituser22 - 4/19/2022[/b]
Hello,
We have begun to implement the batch script with participants in our study and have unfortunately run into some issues.

We have been needing to manually jump to a different session ID within the script when a participant misses a session within the Inquisit Player. However, when we have the participant click on their same link they are not brought to where they should be chronologically in the script. For example, we had someone do session 6 for us by manually typing that into the test tab of Inquisit Player, with the session ID # as 6. When we sent the same link back to them we hoped that the batch code would bring them to session ID # 7, however, they were brought back to session 1. How can we make sure our batch script picks up on jumping ahead chronologically if this is possible? Please see screenshot of the log from this attached. We have also attached our batch script.

Another issue that seems very odd was we have no record of sending our participants (over email) a link with groupid=1234 and instead only see communications where we used "groupid=2" but somehow they ended up completing the wrong condition for the study by using this link (which we can see in the Logs) "https://mili2nd.co/eo6b?subjectid=1&groupid=1234" - is that at all possible? We can't figure out how that happened.

Thank you very much for any guidance

[/quote]

> For example, we had someone do session 6 for us by manually typing that into the test tab of Inquisit Player, with the session ID # as 6. When we sent the same link back to them we hoped that the batch code would bring them to session ID # 7, however, they were brought back to session 1. How can we make sure our batch script picks up on jumping ahead chronologically if this is possible?

Manually entering the session number in the player provides an override, it does not in any way change the session status as tracked by the server.

> "https://mili2nd.co/eo6b?subjectid=1&groupid=1234"

are the default values for subject id and group id you get when you click the launch page link in your account.

So this would have been someone from your team either doing a test run or someone from your team just copy / pasting that link and provding it to somebody else.
[/quote]

Thank you for the quick reply. That's what I had thought as well about the default values but none of us believe we used that link. I'll just ignore that for now as it seems like a fluke and not a systematic issue!

However, we are concerned about how to handle the issue with the batch scripts. So we can provide an override which is great for having the participants jump ahead when needed to a session further along in the batch script, but the functionality doesn't exist for the link continuing to track that the participant just did session 6, so now it is time for them to do session 7 instead of doing session 1? Is there a way for us to make a request for this functionality? Otherwise is the only solution the participant would need to enter this override every time they use the link?

Thank you agai
[/quote]

> So we can provide an override which is great for having the participants jump ahead when needed to a session further along in the batch script, but the functionality doesn't exist for the link continuing to track that the participant just did session 6, so now it is time for them to do session 7 instead of doing session 1?

Correct. In fact, it wouldn't be good to automatically continue with session 7. Consider the following scenario: Participant X has completed sessions 1 to 3, but during the 4th session something comes up, let's say a family urgency, and the participant has to exit the session prematurely. Next day, participant X completes session 5 and lets you know about their issue with during session 4. Thanks to the override, you can have participant X re-do the 4th session and then automatically pick back up where they technically left off, with session 6.

> Otherwise is the only solution the participant would need to enter this override every time they use the link?

They can launch the session they want / need anytime by opening the player app, going to the tests tab, and entering the session number and hitting the play button. The "link" doesn't come into play here at all.
[/quote]

Ok, thank you for explaining this. Could one way to get around being able to override the script and have it pick up where people left off, when relevant/helpful for us, be to upload anything different in the data folder or anything like that? We are concerned about participants who aren't as tech-savvy and won't be as capable of changing the session ID each time.
[/quote]

There currently exists no convenient way to change the session status server-side, but what you could do is launch the experiment X times under the participant's ID to bump the session count for that participant to where you want it to be.
[/quote]

Thanks for letting me know about this. We were hoping we wouldn't need to complete each session's tasks in order to skip ahead but it looks like we would need to complete each session, which could also get confusing from a data perspective later on. Is there a way to skip to the end of each session more easily? Thank you agai

RE: Batch scripts between-subject and repeated measures design

Dave — Wed, 20 Apr 2022 17:14:35 GMT

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[b]inquisituser22 - 4/19/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]Dave - 4/19/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]inquisituser22 - 4/19/2022[/b]
Hello,
We have begun to implement the batch script with participants in our study and have unfortunately run into some issues.

We have been needing to manually jump to a different session ID within the script when a participant misses a session within the Inquisit Player. However, when we have the participant click on their same link they are not brought to where they should be chronologically in the script. For example, we had someone do session 6 for us by manually typing that into the test tab of Inquisit Player, with the session ID # as 6. When we sent the same link back to them we hoped that the batch code would bring them to session ID # 7, however, they were brought back to session 1. How can we make sure our batch script picks up on jumping ahead chronologically if this is possible? Please see screenshot of the log from this attached. We have also attached our batch script.

Another issue that seems very odd was we have no record of sending our participants (over email) a link with groupid=1234 and instead only see communications where we used "groupid=2" but somehow they ended up completing the wrong condition for the study by using this link (which we can see in the Logs) "https://mili2nd.co/eo6b?subjectid=1&groupid=1234" - is that at all possible? We can't figure out how that happened.

Thank you very much for any guidance

[/quote]

> For example, we had someone do session 6 for us by manually typing that into the test tab of Inquisit Player, with the session ID # as 6. When we sent the same link back to them we hoped that the batch code would bring them to session ID # 7, however, they were brought back to session 1. How can we make sure our batch script picks up on jumping ahead chronologically if this is possible?

Manually entering the session number in the player provides an override, it does not in any way change the session status as tracked by the server.

> "https://mili2nd.co/eo6b?subjectid=1&groupid=1234"

are the default values for subject id and group id you get when you click the launch page link in your account.

So this would have been someone from your team either doing a test run or someone from your team just copy / pasting that link and provding it to somebody else.
[/quote]

Thank you for the quick reply. That's what I had thought as well about the default values but none of us believe we used that link. I'll just ignore that for now as it seems like a fluke and not a systematic issue!

However, we are concerned about how to handle the issue with the batch scripts. So we can provide an override which is great for having the participants jump ahead when needed to a session further along in the batch script, but the functionality doesn't exist for the link continuing to track that the participant just did session 6, so now it is time for them to do session 7 instead of doing session 1? Is there a way for us to make a request for this functionality? Otherwise is the only solution the participant would need to enter this override every time they use the link?

Thank you agai
[/quote]

> So we can provide an override which is great for having the participants jump ahead when needed to a session further along in the batch script, but the functionality doesn't exist for the link continuing to track that the participant just did session 6, so now it is time for them to do session 7 instead of doing session 1?

Correct. In fact, it wouldn't be good to automatically continue with session 7. Consider the following scenario: Participant X has completed sessions 1 to 3, but during the 4th session something comes up, let's say a family emergency, and the participant has to exit the session prematurely. Next day, participant X completes session 5 and lets you know about their issue during session 4. Thanks to the override, you can have participant X re-do the 4th session and then automatically pick back up where they technically left off, with session 6.

> Otherwise is the only solution the participant would need to enter this override every time they use the link?

They can launch the session they want / need anytime by opening the player app, going to the tests tab, and entering the session number and hitting the play button. The "link" doesn't come into play here at all.

RE: Batch scripts between-subject and repeated measures design

Dave — Wed, 20 Apr 2022 17:13:06 GMT

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[b]inquisituser22 - 4/20/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]Dave - 4/19/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]inquisituser22 - 4/19/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]Dave - 4/19/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]inquisituser22 - 4/19/2022[/b]
Hello,
We have begun to implement the batch script with participants in our study and have unfortunately run into some issues.

We have been needing to manually jump to a different session ID within the script when a participant misses a session within the Inquisit Player. However, when we have the participant click on their same link they are not brought to where they should be chronologically in the script. For example, we had someone do session 6 for us by manually typing that into the test tab of Inquisit Player, with the session ID # as 6. When we sent the same link back to them we hoped that the batch code would bring them to session ID # 7, however, they were brought back to session 1. How can we make sure our batch script picks up on jumping ahead chronologically if this is possible? Please see screenshot of the log from this attached. We have also attached our batch script.

Another issue that seems very odd was we have no record of sending our participants (over email) a link with groupid=1234 and instead only see communications where we used "groupid=2" but somehow they ended up completing the wrong condition for the study by using this link (which we can see in the Logs) "https://mili2nd.co/eo6b?subjectid=1&groupid=1234" - is that at all possible? We can't figure out how that happened.

Thank you very much for any guidance

[/quote]

> For example, we had someone do session 6 for us by manually typing that into the test tab of Inquisit Player, with the session ID # as 6. When we sent the same link back to them we hoped that the batch code would bring them to session ID # 7, however, they were brought back to session 1. How can we make sure our batch script picks up on jumping ahead chronologically if this is possible?

Manually entering the session number in the player provides an override, it does not in any way change the session status as tracked by the server.

> "https://mili2nd.co/eo6b?subjectid=1&groupid=1234"

are the default values for subject id and group id you get when you click the launch page link in your account.

So this would have been someone from your team either doing a test run or someone from your team just copy / pasting that link and provding it to somebody else.
[/quote]

Thank you for the quick reply. That's what I had thought as well about the default values but none of us believe we used that link. I'll just ignore that for now as it seems like a fluke and not a systematic issue!

However, we are concerned about how to handle the issue with the batch scripts. So we can provide an override which is great for having the participants jump ahead when needed to a session further along in the batch script, but the functionality doesn't exist for the link continuing to track that the participant just did session 6, so now it is time for them to do session 7 instead of doing session 1? Is there a way for us to make a request for this functionality? Otherwise is the only solution the participant would need to enter this override every time they use the link?

Thank you agai
[/quote]

> So we can provide an override which is great for having the participants jump ahead when needed to a session further along in the batch script, but the functionality doesn't exist for the link continuing to track that the participant just did session 6, so now it is time for them to do session 7 instead of doing session 1?

Correct. In fact, it wouldn't be good to automatically continue with session 7. Consider the following scenario: Participant X has completed sessions 1 to 3, but during the 4th session something comes up, let's say a family urgency, and the participant has to exit the session prematurely. Next day, participant X completes session 5 and lets you know about their issue with during session 4. Thanks to the override, you can have participant X re-do the 4th session and then automatically pick back up where they technically left off, with session 6.

> Otherwise is the only solution the participant would need to enter this override every time they use the link?

They can launch the session they want / need anytime by opening the player app, going to the tests tab, and entering the session number and hitting the play button. The "link" doesn't come into play here at all.
[/quote]

Ok, thank you for explaining this. Could one way to get around being able to override the script and have it pick up where people left off, when relevant/helpful for us, be to upload anything different in the data folder or anything like that? We are concerned about participants who aren't as tech-savvy and won't be as capable of changing the session ID each time.
[/quote]

There currently exists no convenient way to change the session status server-side, but what you could do is launch the experiment X times under the participant's ID to bump the session count for that participant to where you want it to be.

RE: Batch scripts between-subject and repeated measures design

inquisituser22 — Wed, 20 Apr 2022 15:59:19 GMT

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[b]Dave - 4/19/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]inquisituser22 - 4/19/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]Dave - 4/19/2022[/b]
+x[quote]

[b]inquisituser22 - 4/19/2022[/b]
Hello,
We have begun to implement the batch script with participants in our study and have unfortunately run into some issues.

We have been needing to manually jump to a different session ID within the script when a participant misses a session within the Inquisit Player. However, when we have the participant click on their same link they are not brought to where they should be chronologically in the script. For example, we had someone do session 6 for us by manually typing that into the test tab of Inquisit Player, with the session ID # as 6. When we sent the same link back to them we hoped that the batch code would bring them to session ID # 7, however, they were brought back to session 1. How can we make sure our batch script picks up on jumping ahead chronologically if this is possible? Please see screenshot of the log from this attached. We have also attached our batch script.

Another issue that seems very odd was we have no record of sending our participants (over email) a link with groupid=1234 and instead only see communications where we used "groupid=2" but somehow they ended up completing the wrong condition for the study by using this link (which we can see in the Logs) "https://mili2nd.co/eo6b?subjectid=1&groupid=1234" - is that at all possible? We can't figure out how that happened.

Thank you very much for any guidance

[/quote]

> For example, we had someone do session 6 for us by manually typing that into the test tab of Inquisit Player, with the session ID # as 6. When we sent the same link back to them we hoped that the batch code would bring them to session ID # 7, however, they were brought back to session 1. How can we make sure our batch script picks up on jumping ahead chronologically if this is possible?

Manually entering the session number in the player provides an override, it does not in any way change the session status as tracked by the server.

> "https://mili2nd.co/eo6b?subjectid=1&groupid=1234"

are the default values for subject id and group id you get when you click the launch page link in your account.

So this would have been someone from your team either doing a test run or someone from your team just copy / pasting that link and provding it to somebody else.
[/quote]

Thank you for the quick reply. That's what I had thought as well about the default values but none of us believe we used that link. I'll just ignore that for now as it seems like a fluke and not a systematic issue!

However, we are concerned about how to handle the issue with the batch scripts. So we can provide an override which is great for having the participants jump ahead when needed to a session further along in the batch script, but the functionality doesn't exist for the link continuing to track that the participant just did session 6, so now it is time for them to do session 7 instead of doing session 1? Is there a way for us to make a request for this functionality? Otherwise is the only solution the participant would need to enter this override every time they use the link?

Thank you agai
[/quote]

> So we can provide an override which is great for having the participants jump ahead when needed to a session further along in the batch script, but the functionality doesn't exist for the link continuing to track that the participant just did session 6, so now it is time for them to do session 7 instead of doing session 1?

Correct. In fact, it wouldn't be good to automatically continue with session 7. Consider the following scenario: Participant X has completed sessions 1 to 3, but during the 4th session something comes up, let's say a family urgency, and the participant has to exit the session prematurely. Next day, participant X completes session 5 and lets you know about their issue with during session 4. Thanks to the override, you can have participant X re-do the 4th session and then automatically pick back up where they technically left off, with session 6.

> Otherwise is the only solution the participant would need to enter this override every time they use the link?

They can launch the session they want / need anytime by opening the player app, going to the tests tab, and entering the session number and hitting the play button. The "link" doesn't come into play here at all.
[/quote]

Ok, thank you for explaining this. Could one way to get around being able to override the script and have it pick up where people left off, when relevant/helpful for us, be to upload anything different in the data folder or anything like that? We are concerned about participants who aren't as tech-savvy and won't be as capable of changing the session ID each time.