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Kevin_Bague - 2/26/2020

Hello I have a new question today. 

Is it possible to count the number of tentative in trials ?

In my task participants must stop a sound in pushing on a knob. But I would like record the number of tentative for each trial, that is the number of time that they have push on other knob.

Could I include 8 knobs in valid response and only one in correct response ? But how code bad response as 0 and correct as 1 ? 

Thanks 

You can use /isvalidresponse and/or /scorrectresponse logic to count the valid (but incorrect) response attempts.

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Dave - 2/26/2020

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Kevin_Bague - 2/26/2020

Hello I have a new question today. 

Is it possible to count the number of tentative in trials ?

In my task participants must stop a sound in pushing on a knob. But I would like record the number of tentative for each trial, that is the number of time that they have push on other knob.

Could I include 8 knobs in valid response and only one in correct response ? But how code bad response as 0 and correct as 1 ? 

Thanks 

You can use /isvalidresponse and/or /scorrectresponse logic to count the valid (but incorrect) response attempts.

Yes but with "/isvalidresponse" when participant press on knob the trial is stopped, but I would like that trial continue even the response is false. 

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Dave - 2/26/2020

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Kevin_Bague - 2/26/2020

Hello I have a new question today. 

Is it possible to count the number of tentative in trials ?

In my task participants must stop a sound in pushing on a knob. But I would like record the number of tentative for each trial, that is the number of time that they have push on other knob.

Could I include 8 knobs in valid response and only one in correct response ? But how code bad response as 0 and correct as 1 ? 

Thanks 

You can use /isvalidresponse and/or /scorrectresponse logic to count the valid (but incorrect) response attempts.

<defaults >
/ screencolor = black
</defaults>

*************************************
SOUND

<item sound>
/ 1="3000Hz (5s).wav"
</item>

<sound son>
/ items = item.sound
</sound>

*************************************
FEEDBACK

<item success>
/ 1="Success!"
</item>

<item fail>
/ 1="Fail !"
</item>

<text sucess>
/ items = success
/ txcolor =black
/ txbgcolor =darkgreen
/txcolor = (255,255,255)
/ size = (90%, 90%)
/ fontstyle = ("Times new roman", 50pt, true, false, false, false, 5, 0)
/ position = (50, 50)
</text>

<text fail>
/ items = fail
/ txcolor =black
/ txbgcolor =crimson
/txcolor = (255,255,255)
/ size = (90%, 90%)
/ fontstyle = ("Times new roman", 50pt, true, false, false, false, 5, 0)
/ position = (50, 50)
</text>
*************************************

<trial uncontrolable >
/ beginresponseframe = -1
/ beginresponsetime = -1
/ correctmessage = true(text.success, 5000)
/ errormessage = true(text.fail, 5000)
/ stimulusframes = [5000=sound]
/ timeout = 5000
/ posttrialpause = 10000
/ responseinterrupt = trial
/ isvalidresponse = ["1";"2"
]
/ ontrialend = [if (trial.uncontrolable.timeout > timeout)
    
]
</trial>

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Dave - 2/26/2020

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Kevin_Bague - 2/26/2020

Hello I have a new question today. 

Is it possible to count the number of tentative in trials ?

In my task participants must stop a sound in pushing on a knob. But I would like record the number of tentative for each trial, that is the number of time that they have push on other knob.

Could I include 8 knobs in valid response and only one in correct response ? But how code bad response as 0 and correct as 1 ? 

Thanks 

You can use /isvalidresponse and/or /scorrectresponse logic to count the valid (but incorrect) response attempts.

<defaults >
/ screencolor = black
</defaults>

*************************************
SOUND

<item sound>
/ 1="3000Hz (5s).wav"
</item>

<sound son>
/ items = item.sound
</sound>

*************************************
FEEDBACK

<item success>
/ 1="Success!"
</item>

<item fail>
/ 1="Fail !"
</item>

<text sucess>
/ items = success
/ txcolor =black
/ txbgcolor =darkgreen
/txcolor = (255,255,255)
/ size = (90%, 90%)
/ fontstyle = ("Times new roman", 50pt, true, false, false, false, 5, 0)
/ position = (50, 50)
</text>

<text fail>
/ items = fail
/ txcolor =black
/ txbgcolor =crimson
/txcolor = (255,255,255)
/ size = (90%, 90%)
/ fontstyle = ("Times new roman", 50pt, true, false, false, false, 5, 0)
/ position = (50, 50)
</text>
*************************************

<trial uncontrolable >
/ beginresponseframe = -1
/ beginresponsetime = -1
/ correctmessage = true(text.success, 5000)
/ errormessage = true(text.fail, 5000)
/ stimulusframes = [1=sound]
/ timeout = 5000
/ posttrialpause = 10000
/ responseinterrupt = trial
/ isvalidresponse = ["1";"2"
]
/ ontrialend = [if (trial.uncontrolable.timeout > timeout)
 
]
</trial>

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Kevin_Bague - 2/27/2020

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Dave - 2/26/2020

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Kevin_Bague - 2/26/2020

Hello I have a new question today. 

Is it possible to count the number of tentative in trials ?

In my task participants must stop a sound in pushing on a knob. But I would like record the number of tentative for each trial, that is the number of time that they have push on other knob.

Could I include 8 knobs in valid response and only one in correct response ? But how code bad response as 0 and correct as 1 ? 

Thanks 

You can use /isvalidresponse and/or /scorrectresponse logic to count the valid (but incorrect) response attempts.

<defaults >
/ screencolor = black
</defaults>

*************************************
SOUND

<item sound>
/ 1="3000Hz (5s).wav"
</item>

<sound son>
/ items = item.sound
</sound>

*************************************
FEEDBACK

<item success>
/ 1="Success!"
</item>

<item fail>
/ 1="Fail !"
</item>

<text sucess>
/ items = success
/ txcolor =black
/ txbgcolor =darkgreen
/txcolor = (255,255,255)
/ size = (90%, 90%)
/ fontstyle = ("Times new roman", 50pt, true, false, false, false, 5, 0)
/ position = (50, 50)
</text>

<text fail>
/ items = fail
/ txcolor =black
/ txbgcolor =crimson
/txcolor = (255,255,255)
/ size = (90%, 90%)
/ fontstyle = ("Times new roman", 50pt, true, false, false, false, 5, 0)
/ position = (50, 50)
</text>
*************************************

<trial uncontrolable >
/ beginresponseframe = -1
/ beginresponsetime = -1
/ correctmessage = true(text.success, 5000)
/ errormessage = true(text.fail, 5000)
/ stimulusframes = [1=sound]
/ timeout = 5000
/ posttrialpause = 10000
/ responseinterrupt = trial
/ isvalidresponse = ["1";"2"
]
/ ontrialend = [if (trial.uncontrolable.timeout > timeout)
 
]
</trial>

It's not stopped if you actually use /isvalidresponse properly.

<block myblock>
/ trials = [1-4 = example]
</block>

<trial example>
/ posttrialpause = 1000
/ ontrialbegin = [
    values.count_tentative = 0;
]
/ stimulusframes = [1=examplestim]
/ validresponse = (2, 3)
/ isvalidresponse = [
    if(trial.example.response == 2) {
        values.count_tentative += 1;
        false;
    } else if (trial.example.response == 3)
    {
        true;
    }
]
/ correctresponse = (3)
/ iscorrectresponse = [
    trial.example.response == 3 && values.count_tentative == 0;
]
</trial>

<text examplestim>
/ items = ("Press 1 or 2. 2 is the correct response")
</text>

<values>
/ count_tentative = 0
</values>

<data>
/ columns = (date time subject group trialnum trialcode response latency correct values.count_tentative)
/ separatefiles = true
</data>

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Dave - 2/27/2020

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Kevin_Bague - 2/27/2020

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Dave - 2/26/2020

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Kevin_Bague - 2/26/2020

Hello I have a new question today. 

Is it possible to count the number of tentative in trials ?

In my task participants must stop a sound in pushing on a knob. But I would like record the number of tentative for each trial, that is the number of time that they have push on other knob.

Could I include 8 knobs in valid response and only one in correct response ? But how code bad response as 0 and correct as 1 ? 

Thanks 

You can use /isvalidresponse and/or /scorrectresponse logic to count the valid (but incorrect) response attempts.

<defaults >
/ screencolor = black
</defaults>

*************************************
SOUND

<item sound>
/ 1="3000Hz (5s).wav"
</item>

<sound son>
/ items = item.sound
</sound>

*************************************
FEEDBACK

<item success>
/ 1="Success!"
</item>

<item fail>
/ 1="Fail !"
</item>

<text sucess>
/ items = success
/ txcolor =black
/ txbgcolor =darkgreen
/txcolor = (255,255,255)
/ size = (90%, 90%)
/ fontstyle = ("Times new roman", 50pt, true, false, false, false, 5, 0)
/ position = (50, 50)
</text>

<text fail>
/ items = fail
/ txcolor =black
/ txbgcolor =crimson
/txcolor = (255,255,255)
/ size = (90%, 90%)
/ fontstyle = ("Times new roman", 50pt, true, false, false, false, 5, 0)
/ position = (50, 50)
</text>
*************************************

<trial uncontrolable >
/ beginresponseframe = -1
/ beginresponsetime = -1
/ correctmessage = true(text.success, 5000)
/ errormessage = true(text.fail, 5000)
/ stimulusframes = [1=sound]
/ timeout = 5000
/ posttrialpause = 10000
/ responseinterrupt = trial
/ isvalidresponse = ["1";"2"
]
/ ontrialend = [if (trial.uncontrolable.timeout > timeout)
 
]
</trial>

It's not stopped if you actually use /isvalidresponse properly.

<block myblock>
/ trials = [1-4 = example]
</block>

<trial example>
/ posttrialpause = 1000
/ ontrialbegin = [
    values.count_tentative = 0;
]
/ stimulusframes = [1=examplestim]
/ validresponse = (2, 3)
/ isvalidresponse = [
    if(trial.example.response == 2) {
        values.count_tentative += 1;
        false;
    } else if (trial.example.response == 3)
    {
        true;
    }
]
/ correctresponse = (3)
/ iscorrectresponse = [
    trial.example.response == 3 && values.count_tentative == 0;
]
</trial>

<text examplestim>
/ items = ("Press 1 or 2. 2 is the correct response")
</text>

<values>
/ count_tentative = 0
</values>

<data>
/ columns = (date time subject group trialnum trialcode response latency correct values.count_tentative)
/ separatefiles = true
</data>

I tried it... but it seeme don't work.... 

+x

 

Kevin_Bague - 2/27/2020

+x

 

Dave - 2/27/2020

+x

 

Kevin_Bague - 2/27/2020

+x

 

Dave - 2/26/2020

+x

 

Kevin_Bague - 2/26/2020

Hello I have a new question today. 

Is it possible to count the number of tentative in trials ?

In my task participants must stop a sound in pushing on a knob. But I would like record the number of tentative for each trial, that is the number of time that they have push on other knob.

Could I include 8 knobs in valid response and only one in correct response ? But how code bad response as 0 and correct as 1 ? 

Thanks 

You can use /isvalidresponse and/or /scorrectresponse logic to count the valid (but incorrect) response attempts.

<defaults >
/ screencolor = black
</defaults>

*************************************
SOUND

<item sound>
/ 1="3000Hz (5s).wav"
</item>

<sound son>
/ items = item.sound
</sound>

*************************************
FEEDBACK

<item success>
/ 1="Success!"
</item>

<item fail>
/ 1="Fail !"
</item>

<text sucess>
/ items = success
/ txcolor =black
/ txbgcolor =darkgreen
/txcolor = (255,255,255)
/ size = (90%, 90%)
/ fontstyle = ("Times new roman", 50pt, true, false, false, false, 5, 0)
/ position = (50, 50)
</text>

<text fail>
/ items = fail
/ txcolor =black
/ txbgcolor =crimson
/txcolor = (255,255,255)
/ size = (90%, 90%)
/ fontstyle = ("Times new roman", 50pt, true, false, false, false, 5, 0)
/ position = (50, 50)
</text>
*************************************

<trial uncontrolable >
/ beginresponseframe = -1
/ beginresponsetime = -1
/ correctmessage = true(text.success, 5000)
/ errormessage = true(text.fail, 5000)
/ stimulusframes = [1=sound]
/ timeout = 5000
/ posttrialpause = 10000
/ responseinterrupt = trial
/ isvalidresponse = ["1";"2"
]
/ ontrialend = [if (trial.uncontrolable.timeout > timeout)
 
]
</trial>

It's not stopped if you actually use /isvalidresponse properly.

<block myblock>
/ trials = [1-4 = example]
</block>

<trial example>
/ posttrialpause = 1000
/ ontrialbegin = [
    values.count_tentative = 0;
]
/ stimulusframes = [1=examplestim]
/ validresponse = (2, 3)
/ isvalidresponse = [
    if(trial.example.response == 2) {
        values.count_tentative += 1;
        false;
    } else if (trial.example.response == 3)
    {
        true;
    }
]
/ correctresponse = (3)
/ iscorrectresponse = [
    trial.example.response == 3 && values.count_tentative == 0;
]
</trial>

<text examplestim>
/ items = ("Press 1 or 2. 2 is the correct response")
</text>

<values>
/ count_tentative = 0
</values>

<data>
/ columns = (date time subject group trialnum trialcode response latency correct values.count_tentative)
/ separatefiles = true
</data>

I tried it... but it seeme don't work.... 

What did you try and what doesn't seem to work?

+x

 

Dave - 2/27/2020

+x

 

Kevin_Bague - 2/27/2020

+x

 

Dave - 2/27/2020

+x

 

Kevin_Bague - 2/27/2020

+x

 

Dave - 2/26/2020

+x

 

Kevin_Bague - 2/26/2020

Hello I have a new question today. 

Is it possible to count the number of tentative in trials ?

In my task participants must stop a sound in pushing on a knob. But I would like record the number of tentative for each trial, that is the number of time that they have push on other knob.

Could I include 8 knobs in valid response and only one in correct response ? But how code bad response as 0 and correct as 1 ? 

Thanks 

You can use /isvalidresponse and/or /scorrectresponse logic to count the valid (but incorrect) response attempts.

<defaults >
/ screencolor = black
</defaults>

*************************************
SOUND

<item sound>
/ 1="3000Hz (5s).wav"
</item>

<sound son>
/ items = item.sound
</sound>

*************************************
FEEDBACK

<item success>
/ 1="Success!"
</item>

<item fail>
/ 1="Fail !"
</item>

<text sucess>
/ items = success
/ txcolor =black
/ txbgcolor =darkgreen
/txcolor = (255,255,255)
/ size = (90%, 90%)
/ fontstyle = ("Times new roman", 50pt, true, false, false, false, 5, 0)
/ position = (50, 50)
</text>

<text fail>
/ items = fail
/ txcolor =black
/ txbgcolor =crimson
/txcolor = (255,255,255)
/ size = (90%, 90%)
/ fontstyle = ("Times new roman", 50pt, true, false, false, false, 5, 0)
/ position = (50, 50)
</text>
*************************************

<trial uncontrolable >
/ beginresponseframe = -1
/ beginresponsetime = -1
/ correctmessage = true(text.success, 5000)
/ errormessage = true(text.fail, 5000)
/ stimulusframes = [1=sound]
/ timeout = 5000
/ posttrialpause = 10000
/ responseinterrupt = trial
/ isvalidresponse = ["1";"2"
]
/ ontrialend = [if (trial.uncontrolable.timeout > timeout)
 
]
</trial>

It's not stopped if you actually use /isvalidresponse properly.

<block myblock>
/ trials = [1-4 = example]
</block>

<trial example>
/ posttrialpause = 1000
/ ontrialbegin = [
    values.count_tentative = 0;
]
/ stimulusframes = [1=examplestim]
/ validresponse = (2, 3)
/ isvalidresponse = [
    if(trial.example.response == 2) {
        values.count_tentative += 1;
        false;
    } else if (trial.example.response == 3)
    {
        true;
    }
]
/ correctresponse = (3)
/ iscorrectresponse = [
    trial.example.response == 3 && values.count_tentative == 0;
]
</trial>

<text examplestim>
/ items = ("Press 1 or 2. 2 is the correct response")
</text>

<values>
/ count_tentative = 0
</values>

<data>
/ columns = (date time subject group trialnum trialcode response latency correct values.count_tentative)
/ separatefiles = true
</data>

I tried it... but it seeme don't work.... 

What did you try and what doesn't seem to work?

The count of tentative and correct response don't work... I have tried with your script and with my script in which I adapted your script :


<defaults >
/ screencolor = black
</defaults>

*************************************
SON

<item son >
/ 1="3000Hz (5s).wav"
</item>

<sound son>
/ items = item.son
</sound>

*************************************
FEEDBACK

<item réussi>
/ 1="Réussi !"
</item>

<item échec>
/ 1="Échec !"
</item>

<text réussi>
/ items = réussi
/ txcolor =black
/ txbgcolor =darkgreen
/txcolor = (255,255,255)
/ size = (90%, 90%)
/ fontstyle = ("Times new roman", 50pt, true, false, false, false, 5, 0)
/ position = (50, 50)
</text>

<text échec>
/ items = échec
/ txcolor =black
/ txbgcolor =crimson
/txcolor = (255,255,255)
/ size = (90%, 90%)
/ fontstyle = ("Times new roman", 50pt, true, false, false, false, 5, 0)
/ position = (50, 50)
</text>
*************************************

<trial uncontrolable >
/ beginresponseframe = -1
/ beginresponsetime = -1
/ correctmessage = true(text.réussi, 5000)
/ errormessage = true(text.échec, 5000)
/ stimulusframes = [1=son]
/ timeout = 5000
/ posttrialpause = 10000
/ validresponse = ("1")
/ isvalidresponse = [
  if(trial.uncontrolable.response =="1") {
   values.count_tentative += 1;
   false}]
        
/ ontrialend = [if (trial.uncontrolable.timeout)
    
]
</trial>
**********************************

<trial controlable >
/ beginresponseframe = -1
/ beginresponsetime = -1
/ correctmessage = true(text.réussi, 5000)
/ errormessage = true(text.échec, 5000)
/ stimulusframes = [1=son]
/ timeout = 5000
/ posttrialpause = 10000
/ validresponse = ("1")
/ isvalidresponse = [
  if(trial.controlable.response =="2") {
   values.count_tentative += 1;
   false;
  } else if (trial.controlable.response == "1")
  {
   true;
  }
]
/ correctresponse = ("1")
/ iscorrectresponse = [
  trial.controlable.response == "1"
]
/ ontrialend = [if (trial.controlable.timeout)
    
]
</trial>





******************

<values>
/ count_tentative = "0"
</values>

<data>
/ columns = (date time subject group trialnum trialcode response latency correct values.count_tentative)
/ separatefiles = true
</data>
<block >
/ trials = [1-3=trial.uncontrolable]
</block>

+x

 

Kevin_Bague - 2/27/2020

+x

 

Dave - 2/27/2020

+x

 

Kevin_Bague - 2/27/2020

+x

 

Dave - 2/27/2020

+x

 

Kevin_Bague - 2/27/2020

+x

 

Dave - 2/26/2020

+x

 

Kevin_Bague - 2/26/2020

Hello I have a new question today. 

Is it possible to count the number of tentative in trials ?

In my task participants must stop a sound in pushing on a knob. But I would like record the number of tentative for each trial, that is the number of time that they have push on other knob.

Could I include 8 knobs in valid response and only one in correct response ? But how code bad response as 0 and correct as 1 ? 

Thanks 

You can use /isvalidresponse and/or /scorrectresponse logic to count the valid (but incorrect) response attempts.

<defaults >
/ screencolor = black
</defaults>

*************************************
SOUND

<item sound>
/ 1="3000Hz (5s).wav"
</item>

<sound son>
/ items = item.sound
</sound>

*************************************
FEEDBACK

<item success>
/ 1="Success!"
</item>

<item fail>
/ 1="Fail !"
</item>

<text sucess>
/ items = success
/ txcolor =black
/ txbgcolor =darkgreen
/txcolor = (255,255,255)
/ size = (90%, 90%)
/ fontstyle = ("Times new roman", 50pt, true, false, false, false, 5, 0)
/ position = (50, 50)
</text>

<text fail>
/ items = fail
/ txcolor =black
/ txbgcolor =crimson
/txcolor = (255,255,255)
/ size = (90%, 90%)
/ fontstyle = ("Times new roman", 50pt, true, false, false, false, 5, 0)
/ position = (50, 50)
</text>
*************************************

<trial uncontrolable >
/ beginresponseframe = -1
/ beginresponsetime = -1
/ correctmessage = true(text.success, 5000)
/ errormessage = true(text.fail, 5000)
/ stimulusframes = [1=sound]
/ timeout = 5000
/ posttrialpause = 10000
/ responseinterrupt = trial
/ isvalidresponse = ["1";"2"
]
/ ontrialend = [if (trial.uncontrolable.timeout > timeout)
 
]
</trial>

It's not stopped if you actually use /isvalidresponse properly.

<block myblock>
/ trials = [1-4 = example]
</block>

<trial example>
/ posttrialpause = 1000
/ ontrialbegin = [
    values.count_tentative = 0;
]
/ stimulusframes = [1=examplestim]
/ validresponse = (2, 3)
/ isvalidresponse = [
    if(trial.example.response == 2) {
        values.count_tentative += 1;
        false;
    } else if (trial.example.response == 3)
    {
        true;
    }
]
/ correctresponse = (3)
/ iscorrectresponse = [
    trial.example.response == 3 && values.count_tentative == 0;
]
</trial>

<text examplestim>
/ items = ("Press 1 or 2. 2 is the correct response")
</text>

<values>
/ count_tentative = 0
</values>

<data>
/ columns = (date time subject group trialnum trialcode response latency correct values.count_tentative)
/ separatefiles = true
</data>

I tried it... but it seeme don't work.... 

What did you try and what doesn't seem to work?

The count of tentative and correct response don't work... I have tried with your script and with my script in which I adapted your script :


<defaults >
/ screencolor = black
</defaults>

*************************************
SON

<item son >
/ 1="3000Hz (5s).wav"
</item>

<sound son>
/ items = item.son
</sound>

*************************************
FEEDBACK

<item réussi>
/ 1="Réussi !"
</item>

<item échec>
/ 1="Échec !"
</item>

<text réussi>
/ items = réussi
/ txcolor =black
/ txbgcolor =darkgreen
/txcolor = (255,255,255)
/ size = (90%, 90%)
/ fontstyle = ("Times new roman", 50pt, true, false, false, false, 5, 0)
/ position = (50, 50)
</text>

<text échec>
/ items = échec
/ txcolor =black
/ txbgcolor =crimson
/txcolor = (255,255,255)
/ size = (90%, 90%)
/ fontstyle = ("Times new roman", 50pt, true, false, false, false, 5, 0)
/ position = (50, 50)
</text>
*************************************

<trial uncontrolable >
/ beginresponseframe = -1
/ beginresponsetime = -1
/ correctmessage = true(text.réussi, 5000)
/ errormessage = true(text.échec, 5000)
/ stimulusframes = [1=son]
/ timeout = 5000
/ posttrialpause = 10000
/ validresponse = ("1")
/ isvalidresponse = [
  if(trial.uncontrolable.response =="1") {
   values.count_tentative += 1;
   false}]
        
/ ontrialend = [if (trial.uncontrolable.timeout)
    
]
</trial>
**********************************

<trial controlable >
/ beginresponseframe = -1
/ beginresponsetime = -1
/ correctmessage = true(text.réussi, 5000)
/ errormessage = true(text.échec, 5000)
/ stimulusframes = [1=son]
/ timeout = 5000
/ posttrialpause = 10000
/ validresponse = ("1")
/ isvalidresponse = [
  if(trial.controlable.response =="2") {
   values.count_tentative += 1;
   false;
  } else if (trial.controlable.response == "1")
  {
   true;
  }
]
/ correctresponse = ("1")
/ iscorrectresponse = [
  trial.controlable.response == "1"
]
/ ontrialend = [if (trial.controlable.timeout)
    
]
</trial>





******************

<values>
/ count_tentative = "0"
</values>

<data>
/ columns = (date time subject group trialnum trialcode response latency correct values.count_tentative)
/ separatefiles = true
</data>
<block >
/ trials = [1-3=trial.uncontrolable]
</block>

You really need to be clearer, please.

(1) "The count of tentative and correct response don't work... I have tried with your script "

Does it work or not work with the script I gave you? I have tested it and it does work for me, 100%.



(2) "... and with my script in which I adapted your script."

I'm sorry, but you did not adapt your script according to the example code I gave you.