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(bow) and thanks for your help

#1: You don't need that because you already have that information in script.groupid as discussed previously.

#2: It's expt.exptname.currentgroupnumber. For unnamed expts it would be expt.1.currentgroupnumber, expt.2.currentgroupnumber, etc. I'm sure you see why that won't do any good.

#3: There is script.currentexpt.

The trail has already expired ;) I'll set it up on another machine.

I tried the same with expt.currentgroupnumber to additionally get the groupnumber, but that throws a non valid error.

Yes. You might want to do the same for <summarydata> (if you use that element). Still I would recommend some quick tests offline prior to deployment (why not use the trial period for that?).

For already collected data sets you should be able to determine which of the 3 variables-conditions ran based on the items logged to the data file (I'd expect them to be different between the three).

Like that? I have to update it live, else I would just try it locally but we have only the web licence.

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raw data
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<data>
/ file = "CustomItemIAT_rawdata.iqdat"
/ columns = [date, time, subject, script.groupid, blockcode, blocknum, trialcode, trialnum, response, correct, latency, stimulusnumber, stimulusitem, expressions.da, expressions.db, expressions.d, variables.currentgroupnumber]
</data>

How about logging variables.currentgroupnumber to the data file?

Thanks, that explains what's going on.

So I basically have 6 different conditions. Is there a way to rework that using <variables> or do I need to setup 6 different expt statements? Another way would be to store only the <variables> conditions in script.groupid.

You have

<expt>
/subjects = (1 of 2)
/groupassignment = groupnumber
/blocks = [1=getTargetItems; 2=targetcompatiblepractice; 3=attributepractice; 4=compatibletest1;
                5=compatibletestinstructions; 6=compatibletest2; 7=targetincompatiblepractice; 8=incompatibletest1;
                9=incompatibletestinstructions; 10=incompatibletest2; 11=summary]
</expt>

<expt>
/subjects = (2 of 2)
/groupassignment = groupnumber
/ blocks = [1=getTargetItems; 2=targetincompatiblepractice; 3=attributepractice; 4=incompatibletest1;
                5=incompatibletestinstructions; 6=incompatibletest2; 7=targetcompatiblepractice; 8=compatibletest1;
                9=compatibletestinstructions; 10=compatibletest2; 11=summary]
</expt>

i.e., *two* conditions assigned by groupnumber or mod(groubnumber,2) or simply odd vs. even. All that's different is the block order between the two conditions.

And then you have

<variables>
/group=(1 of 3) (attributeAlabel=attributeAlabelRelatedness, attributeBlabel=attributeBlabelRelatedness,  attributeAitems=attributeArelatedness, attributeBitems=attributeBrelatedness)
/group=(2 of 3) (attributeAlabel=attributeAlabelCompetence, attributeBlabel=attributeBlabelCompetence, attributeAitems=attributeAcompetence, attributeBitems=attributeBcompetence)
/group=(3 of 3) (attributeAlabel=attributeAlabelAutonomy, attributeBlabel=attributeBlabelAutonomy, attributeAitems=attributeAautonomy, attributeBitems=attributeBautonomy)
/groupassignment = random
</variables>

*three* groups set to *random* condition assignment. I.e., no mod of anything will tell you what condition ran. It's random.

Hi,

I have an experiment with 3 different groups, so I computed MOD(3) (SPSS: MOD(numeric, modulus) for my groups, but validating the results manually I find differences.

First 4 manually: 1, 2, 2, 0

First 4 MOD(3): 2, 1, 2, 1

I controlled for correct sorting, so I don't see whats going on here and I have no idea how script.groupid is calculated. Where exactly is script.groupid assigned and on what does it depend? I use a MD5 hash as my subject id, if there is any dependence.

I also attached the script I use, just in case.

Any ideas whats going on?

Thanks,

Max

You select whatever option you deem appropriate for your purposes. In case of the Brief IAT there are two between-subjects "groups" (i.e., here: two different block orders), thus computing the mod(2) of the recorded script.groupid will be either will tell you the block order. If the mod is 1, the 1st block order was delivered, if the result is 0, the 2nd order was chosen.